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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:17 am

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:02 am
I was asking weather you believe middle eastern countries should be more like Turkey, Syria and Lebanon or more like Saudi Arabia. I thought you wanted them to be more like the first, that's what you yourself claimed like 3 posts ago, but when it comes to Iran you want it to be more like Saudi Arabia.
These countries are whatever they are. In other words, you seem to be suggesting a type of military action Imperialism or Godless-Communist-Internationalism against these countries. Regardless, I doubt Iran is anything like Saudi Arabia. My two good friends had a wonderful holiday in Iran. Some happy & wholesome looking ladies at this link: http://www.mircorp.com/looking-good-in- ... b-how-tos/ The important matter is what is closer to Buddhist culture?

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:33 am

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:11 am
If someone caught conducting illegal gambling, the penalties could be up to 6 months in jail or 74 lashes. However, if the offenders caught gambling publically they will be sentenced to both the punishments.
Personally, I don't see a great issue above. While the punishment may sound medieval, it probably better than the gambling problems in the West or, if you are a Buddhist, burning in hell for eons. :shock:

Btw, tell me about your view of Dependent Origination & kamma & rebirth. Do you believe in the here-&-now interpretation or do you believe in the medieval interpretation of material physical hell realms?

Have you read that sutta about "How Long is an Eon?" What is better? Possible eons in hell for gambling according to Buddhism or 74 lashes for gambling according to Islam? If it was me, I would happily volunteer for the 74 lashes (which would also probably save myself & my family lots of money).

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:56 am

I am sure there are a lot of people having a great time in Saudi Arabia on vacation. So now all of a sudden you support the rebels in syria because of how nice it is to be forced to wear a scarf and how great "islamic morality" is ? It thought you were keeping sides with Assad.

All of a sudden you stopped wanting those countries to modernize and be more like Turkey, Lebanon or Syria and now you want them to be closer to Saudi Arabia because of "great islamic morality".

Well chose one of these 2 options. It's hard to debate with a person that doesn't have his mind made up and changes his opinion 180degrees every 2-3 posts.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:02 am

DooDoot wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:33 am
Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:11 am
If someone caught conducting illegal gambling, the penalties could be up to 6 months in jail or 74 lashes. However, if the offenders caught gambling publically they will be sentenced to both the punishments.
Personally, I don't see a great issue above. While the punishment may sound medieval, it probably better than the gambling problems in the West or, if you are a Buddhist, burning in hell for eons. :shock:
Sutta quote for aeons in hell for gamling ? lol

And tell me more about how there is nothing wrong with lashes, forcing womans to wear scarfs, etc. Tell me more about all these wounderfull rules and how great Sharia Law is.

3 posts ago you were complaining about Sharia law, now you are doing apologetics for Sharia law. Chose one of the 2, you can't change an opinion 180 degrees like that it's ridiculous.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:10 am

When it comes to Saudi Arabia, Sharia Law is bad. When it comes to Iran, Sharia law is great and it's the evil cultural marxist that don't understand "great islamic morality". How can one criticize sharia law but then change his mind and start doing apologetics for sharia law in the same topic ? Doing apologetics even for the 74 lashes punishment ?

Tell me why exactly Sharia law is bad for Saudi Arabia but on the other hand Sharia law is great for Iran and is called "great islamic morality" ?
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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:24 am

Not to mention the brain-far about evil "atheist from the west" having a problem with this Sharia law because they don't understand great islamic morality, while being an atheist yourself. :juggling: Having a problem with evil cultural marxist secularist, while being a secular buddhist yourself.

Really how much logical jiu-jitzu can one possibly make ? It's probably the most ridiculous conversation I was involved in for a very long time.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by chownah » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:38 am

doodoot,
you never did tell me where isis got their toyata trucks from....please do...
chownah

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:41 am

chownah wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:38 am
doodoot,
you never did tell me where isis got their toyata trucks from....please do...
chownah
Forget about it, we're at page 3 of the topic so you are speaking with a different DootDot. He doesn't have a problem with ISIS anymore, now he's all for Sharia law and stuff.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:57 am

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:02 am
Sutta quote for aeons in hell for gamling ? lol
DN 31 calls gambling a road to ruin, as I already posted. Obviously, it leads to hell because any deluded or greedy intention leads to hell according to the suttas, as follows:
Bhikkhus, a god, a human or any other good state would not be evident from actions born of greed, hate and delusion. Yet, bhikkhus, from actions born of greed, hate and delusion a hellish being, an animal birth a ghostly birth or some other bad state would be evident.

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Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:02 am
And tell me more about how there is nothing wrong with lashes, forcing womans to wear scarfs, etc. Tell me more about all these wounderfull rules and how great Sharia Law is.
I never said there was nothing wrong with lashes. I called it 'medieval'. However, discouragement &/or prohibition of gambling is a good thing & accords with the spirit of Buddhism, although, in Buddhism, it is voluntary, done by the wise rather than by fools. As for headscarves, women used to wear them in Europe. A head scarf is a practise of modesty, of de-emphasizing sexuality. It accords with Buddhist modesty.
Christian head covering is the veiling of the head by women in a variety of Christian traditions. Some cover only in public worship, while others believe they should cover their heads all the time. The biblical basis for head coverings is found in 1 Corinthians 11:2–16.
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Our second condition is clothing. Please wear clothing that fulfills the real meaning and purpose of clothing: good health, protection against annoyances and discomfort, convenience and simplicity, expression of culture.

Please wear clothing that is convenient, simple, and a sign of culture. Please do not wear clothing that destroys the culture of oneself or of others. That would lead to inappropriateness within oneself and would be an enemy of mental tranquility. Please give some consideration to clothing, the second paccaya also.

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Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:02 am
3 posts ago you were complaining about Sharia law, now you are doing apologetics for Sharia law. Chose one of the 2, you can't change an opinion 180 degrees like that it's ridiculous.
I am not sure it is Sharia. Head scarfs, as I said, were very common in Christianity & in Europe. The bhikkhunis of Thich Nhat Hanh wear head scarves. There is a different between Koran Law & Sharia Law (for example, Koran does not have death penalty for adultery). Regardless, in many Pali suttas, the Buddha takes it for granted that murderers, thieves & adulterers may receive the death-penalty by government authorities.

My point is even if I strongly disagree with Islam, Buddhism does not encourage me to destroy that culture (via the only means possible, which is violence & warfare). :roll: But I don't have great issues with ordinary Islam. I really enjoyed travelling in Indonesia, Malaysia & Southern Thailand and, as I said, my friends loved their holiday in Iran. While I don't like burka, I have no issues with head-scarves. In fact, I think they are beautifying because they highlight the radiance of a loving face.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:33 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:10 am
When it comes to Saudi Arabia, Sharia Law is bad. When it comes to Iran, Sharia law is great and it's the evil cultural marxist that don't understand "great islamic morality". How can one criticize sharia law but then change his mind and start doing apologetics for sharia law in the same topic ? Doing apologetics even for the 74 lashes punishment ? Tell me why exactly Sharia law is bad for Saudi Arabia but on the other hand Sharia law is great for Iran and is called "great islamic morality" ?
I think Iran is a good country, but obviously not for pedophiles, rapists, gamblers & other seriously immoral people. As I posted, in the suttas, the Buddha takes it for granted with equanimity that murderers, thieves & adulterers might get flogged or executed. As for Saudi Arabia, my objections with it are:

1. It is not tolerant of other religions. Non-Muslims are not allowed to hold Saudi citizenship

2. It indoctrinates & funds terrorists, including its role in 9/11.

3. It is unforgiving in Islamic law. For example, in Iran, I read an adulterer gets three chances, before facing the axe on the 4th offense. Probably enough time for them to emigrate to California or Paris. But in Saudi, if you confess, you are toast; 1st offense.

4. It is a US ally; receiving $$billions$$ of weapons from the USA.

5. It was created by the British to violently protect their business interests.
Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:24 am
Not to mention the brain-far about evil "atheist from the west" having a problem with this Sharia law because they don't understand great islamic morality, while being an atheist yourself. Having a problem with evil cultural marxist secularist, while being a secular buddhist yourself. Really how much logical jiu-jitzu can one possibly make ? It's probably the most ridiculous conversation I was involved in for a very long time.
I am certainly an atheist but have no trouble living in proper Islamic countries (unless I am forced to covert, which is unlikely) because I have no vices or lack of sila. It is not my view that is ridiculous. :roll:
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Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:41 am
He doesn't have a problem with ISIS anymore, now he's all for Sharia law and stuff.
ISIS do not follow Islamic Law, as confirmed by many scholars:
WASHINGTON (RNS) More than 120 Muslim scholars from around the world joined an open letter to the “fighters and followers” of the Islamic State, denouncing them as un-Islamic by using the most Islamic of terms.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/ ... 78038.html
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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:52 pm

chownah wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:38 am
you never did tell me where isis got their toyata trucks from....please do...
chownah
I said Texas, US military, according to gossip. Just google; like here: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ ... k4jmFWWYkI


The Texas City, Texas, plumbing company owner is suing a Ford dealership for more than $1 million in financial losses and damages to his company's reputation after a pickup truck he once owned ended up with Islamic militants fighting in Syria's civil war. A photo of the truck, with his Mark-1 Plumbing decals still attached, went viral, leading to thousands of harassing phone calls.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/14/us/te ... index.html

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:01 pm

When it comes to Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. - you do not agree with Sharia law and religious dictatorship. You even complain about USA being allies with such backwards countries and doing nothing to reform them.

When it comes to Iran, you are against the segment of the population from urban areas that have been fighting for decades to end religious dictatorship and Sharia law. You are against their protests that try to end that. Those things are ok in Iran as long as they are an ally of Russia. You even go as far as doing apologetics for Sharia law and "great islamic morality", trying to show how Sharia law is in line with buddhism, even things like those 74 lashes from your own quote.

Even the most pro USA guy in the world would keep sides with protestors for secularism from Saudi Arabia or UAE if such a thing would exist. Any supporter of USA, me included, would be happy if there were protests to remove sharia law and religious dictatorship from KSA or UAE. Think about that for a moment.


This is the problem that happens when half your video posts here are from Russia Today. Have it ever occured to you that just as western media has it's fair share of propaganda, Russia Today/PressTV/SANA etc. have that too ? Well if it didn't even occur to you, then think about the fact that you have Russia Today on your TV there in Australia but in Russia you won't find anything critical to Russia or god forbid Putin on TV. They either imprison either assasinate journalist that have a different opinion over there.

Have you seen people from The Independent that keep having a different opinion about Syria ever get assasinated or imprisoned by western governments ? I don't think so. Yet, we have seen journalist imprisoned or killed for having a different opinion on Syria in Russia. And it's the evil western governments that use too much realpolitik and too much propaganda... The evil CIA and the great KGB, promoters of nothing but goodness in this world. It's of course the Russia Today, Press TV and shitty youtube channels that are the ones full of objectivity and lack of bias.

Again, just like that guy said yesterday on SCW reddit...
I'm angry that supporters of the regime in this sub who have said that they support secularity seem to be against the protests, which seems incoherent for me.
They are conspiracy theorists aka "not rational" and "lacking ability to think critically". For them its as simple as "if it opposes the West its good, if it is bad for the "resistance axis" its foreign interference". If you sit there and use RT, PressTV, SANA and shitty twitter sources for "news" and then refuse to read anything counter to this worldview then you are going to be incoherent.

They lack the ability to look at a source of information and look at it with an informed outlook, meaning recognizing possible bias, looking for proper sources and credibility, understanding that many places do not have a free press etc etc etc


Remember, most of them are like 16-20 year old white middle class North Americans and Europeans and they spend all day on here cheering on autocrats and police state operating war criminals because of "secularism", "human rights", "resistance", "anti-imperalism" or whatever reason.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:27 pm

All 4 parties there are using those toyota trucks. Assad, the Kurds and the Rebels are using the same toyota trucks too. If they could control that, they would not let Assad have toyota trucks. These things are hard to control. You put a muslim from USA to buy a toyota truck in personal name, then send it on a ship to Turkey or Jordan. Then they get smuggled in. It's not that difficult to smugle things in. Hell you can smuggle all this stuff through Assad territory let alone Turkey or Jordan. Yemen is geographically isolated, is totally surrounded and has an embargo on it and yet they still can smuggle a lot of stuff in.

But why do you have a problem with ISIS now ? They are on the side of Assad for about a month or so. They have an agreement with him never to attack him and only to fight against the rebels. They were transfered to south-east Ildib along with their toyota trucks, only tanks were not allowed. They are attacking the rebels coordinated with Assad.

At least with weapons from the west that end up like that, we see people trying to do something about it. But in the case of Russia, they are more than happy with Tranznistria (territory controlled by russian troops) being the biggest weapon smuggler place in the world for decades. Tranznistrian weapons can be brought like candy and can be shipped by airplane, airplane that will not be checked by anybody cause Tranznistria is supposedly independent. No need for smuggling when you are an unrecognized independent country with Russia backing you so you can just send an airplane full of them and nobody from the west can do a damn thing. They don't even discriminate where they sell this stuff, they don't care if it's a party fighting Russia like the rebels in Syria. All that matters is making money. Tranznistria has been fueling terrorism across the world for decades and has caused incalculable human deaths. They're also doing the same when it comes to drugs and human traficking, but you won't heed DootDot having a problem with these un-buddhist activities as long as the area is aligned with Russia.

DootDot supposedly has a problem with weapons smuggling to terrorists and incalculable human deaths but not when it comes to Tranznistria of course. Tranznistria is OK as far as he's concerned.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by manas » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:30 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:33 am
...Possible eons in hell for gambling according to Buddhism...
Whoa, you will need to provide a sutta reference, if you are going to make claims like that. I've read a fair amount about Buddhism over the years, and I've NEVER encountered that notion. Where did you get that from?

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:58 pm

DooDoot wrote:
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Blessed are those who believe without seeing. ;)
=))))))))))))))))))))))))))
This is just another proof of what happens when you read Russia Today non stop and take as 100% accurate anything you see on it. Such things have never been claimed on SCW reddit not even by biggest russian trolls.

Al-Qaeda in al-Tanaf ??? Really ? =)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I am honestly doubt they ever even suggested such things even on Russia Today, most probably that is taken from a "shitty twitter source". This is what happens when one doesn't have a clue about the syrian civil war but is full of opinions and manifests 0.0% critical thinking.

Look, you wana attack those guys in Al-Tanaf, there are plenty of valid reasons to do it. But don't use ridiculous stuff that would never be said even on Russia Today to attack them. That stuff is equal in value to saying there are ISIS troops guarding Assad pallace in Damascus, then posting some pictures of some poorly dressed NDF militias from around the pallace and claiming they are ISIS.

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