Wars & International Geopolitics

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:24 am

Not to mention the brain-far about evil "atheist from the west" having a problem with this Sharia law because they don't understand great islamic morality, while being an atheist yourself. :juggling: Having a problem with evil cultural marxist secularist, while being a secular buddhist yourself.

Really how much logical jiu-jitzu can one possibly make ? It's probably the most ridiculous conversation I was involved in for a very long time.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by chownah » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:38 am

doodoot,
you never did tell me where isis got their toyata trucks from....please do...
chownah

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:41 am

chownah wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:38 am
doodoot,
you never did tell me where isis got their toyata trucks from....please do...
chownah
Forget about it, we're at page 3 of the topic so you are speaking with a different DootDot. He doesn't have a problem with ISIS anymore, now he's all for Sharia law and stuff.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:57 am

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:02 am
Sutta quote for aeons in hell for gamling ? lol
DN 31 calls gambling a road to ruin, as I already posted. Obviously, it leads to hell because any deluded or greedy intention leads to hell according to the suttas, as follows:
Bhikkhus, a god, a human or any other good state would not be evident from actions born of greed, hate and delusion. Yet, bhikkhus, from actions born of greed, hate and delusion a hellish being, an animal birth a ghostly birth or some other bad state would be evident.

AN 6.39
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Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:02 am
And tell me more about how there is nothing wrong with lashes, forcing womans to wear scarfs, etc. Tell me more about all these wounderfull rules and how great Sharia Law is.
I never said there was nothing wrong with lashes. I called it 'medieval'. However, discouragement &/or prohibition of gambling is a good thing & accords with the spirit of Buddhism, although, in Buddhism, it is voluntary, done by the wise rather than by fools. As for headscarves, women used to wear them in Europe. A head scarf is a practise of modesty, of de-emphasizing sexuality. It accords with Buddhist modesty.
Christian head covering is the veiling of the head by women in a variety of Christian traditions. Some cover only in public worship, while others believe they should cover their heads all the time. The biblical basis for head coverings is found in 1 Corinthians 11:2–16.
Christian headcovering - Wikipedia
Our second condition is clothing. Please wear clothing that fulfills the real meaning and purpose of clothing: good health, protection against annoyances and discomfort, convenience and simplicity, expression of culture.

Please wear clothing that is convenient, simple, and a sign of culture. Please do not wear clothing that destroys the culture of oneself or of others. That would lead to inappropriateness within oneself and would be an enemy of mental tranquility. Please give some consideration to clothing, the second paccaya also.

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Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:02 am
3 posts ago you were complaining about Sharia law, now you are doing apologetics for Sharia law. Chose one of the 2, you can't change an opinion 180 degrees like that it's ridiculous.
I am not sure it is Sharia. Head scarfs, as I said, were very common in Christianity & in Europe. The bhikkhunis of Thich Nhat Hanh wear head scarves. There is a different between Koran Law & Sharia Law (for example, Koran does not have death penalty for adultery). Regardless, in many Pali suttas, the Buddha takes it for granted that murderers, thieves & adulterers may receive the death-penalty by government authorities.

My point is even if I strongly disagree with Islam, Buddhism does not encourage me to destroy that culture (via the only means possible, which is violence & warfare). :roll: But I don't have great issues with ordinary Islam. I really enjoyed travelling in Indonesia, Malaysia & Southern Thailand and, as I said, my friends loved their holiday in Iran. While I don't like burka, I have no issues with head-scarves. In fact, I think they are beautifying because they highlight the radiance of a loving face.

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She wields manifold supranormal powers. Having been one she becomes many; having been many she becomes one. sHe appears. sHe vanishes. sHe goes unimpeded through walls, ramparts, & mountains as if through space. sHe dives in & out of the earth as if it were water. sHe walks on water without sinking as if it were dry land. Sitting crosslegged she flies through the air like a winged bird. With her hand she touches & strokes even the sun & moon, so mighty & powerful. sHe exercises influence with her body even as far as the Brahma worlds.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:33 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:10 am
When it comes to Saudi Arabia, Sharia Law is bad. When it comes to Iran, Sharia law is great and it's the evil cultural marxist that don't understand "great islamic morality". How can one criticize sharia law but then change his mind and start doing apologetics for sharia law in the same topic ? Doing apologetics even for the 74 lashes punishment ? Tell me why exactly Sharia law is bad for Saudi Arabia but on the other hand Sharia law is great for Iran and is called "great islamic morality" ?
I think Iran is a good country, but obviously not for pedophiles, rapists, gamblers & other seriously immoral people. As I posted, in the suttas, the Buddha takes it for granted with equanimity that murderers, thieves & adulterers might get flogged or executed. As for Saudi Arabia, my objections with it are:

1. It is not tolerant of other religions. Non-Muslims are not allowed to hold Saudi citizenship

2. It indoctrinates & funds terrorists, including its role in 9/11.

3. It is unforgiving in Islamic law. For example, in Iran, I read an adulterer gets three chances, before facing the axe on the 4th offense. Probably enough time for them to emigrate to California or Paris. But in Saudi, if you confess, you are toast; 1st offense.

4. It is a US ally; receiving $$billions$$ of weapons from the USA.

5. It was created by the British to violently protect their business interests.
Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:24 am
Not to mention the brain-far about evil "atheist from the west" having a problem with this Sharia law because they don't understand great islamic morality, while being an atheist yourself. Having a problem with evil cultural marxist secularist, while being a secular buddhist yourself. Really how much logical jiu-jitzu can one possibly make ? It's probably the most ridiculous conversation I was involved in for a very long time.
I am certainly an atheist but have no trouble living in proper Islamic countries (unless I am forced to covert, which is unlikely) because I have no vices or lack of sila. It is not my view that is ridiculous. :roll:
Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:41 am
He doesn't have a problem with ISIS anymore, now he's all for Sharia law and stuff.
ISIS do not follow Islamic Law, as confirmed by many scholars:
WASHINGTON (RNS) More than 120 Muslim scholars from around the world joined an open letter to the “fighters and followers” of the Islamic State, denouncing them as un-Islamic by using the most Islamic of terms.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/ ... 78038.html
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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:52 pm

chownah wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:38 am
you never did tell me where isis got their toyata trucks from....please do...
chownah
I said Texas, US military, according to gossip. Just google; like here: http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/ ... k4jmFWWYkI


The Texas City, Texas, plumbing company owner is suing a Ford dealership for more than $1 million in financial losses and damages to his company's reputation after a pickup truck he once owned ended up with Islamic militants fighting in Syria's civil war. A photo of the truck, with his Mark-1 Plumbing decals still attached, went viral, leading to thousands of harassing phone calls.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/14/us/te ... index.html

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:01 pm

When it comes to Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. - you do not agree with Sharia law and religious dictatorship. You even complain about USA being allies with such backwards countries and doing nothing to reform them.

When it comes to Iran, you are against the segment of the population from urban areas that have been fighting for decades to end religious dictatorship and Sharia law. You are against their protests that try to end that. Those things are ok in Iran as long as they are an ally of Russia. You even go as far as doing apologetics for Sharia law and "great islamic morality", trying to show how Sharia law is in line with buddhism, even things like those 74 lashes from your own quote.

Even the most pro USA guy in the world would keep sides with protestors for secularism from Saudi Arabia or UAE if such a thing would exist. Any supporter of USA, me included, would be happy if there were protests to remove sharia law and religious dictatorship from KSA or UAE. Think about that for a moment.


This is the problem that happens when half your video posts here are from Russia Today. Have it ever occured to you that just as western media has it's fair share of propaganda, Russia Today/PressTV/SANA etc. have that too ? Well if it didn't even occur to you, then think about the fact that you have Russia Today on your TV there in Australia but in Russia you won't find anything critical to Russia or god forbid Putin on TV. They either imprison either assasinate journalist that have a different opinion over there.

Have you seen people from The Independent that keep having a different opinion about Syria ever get assasinated or imprisoned by western governments ? I don't think so. Yet, we have seen journalist imprisoned or killed for having a different opinion on Syria in Russia. And it's the evil western governments that use too much realpolitik and too much propaganda... The evil CIA and the great KGB, promoters of nothing but goodness in this world. It's of course the Russia Today, Press TV and shitty youtube channels that are the ones full of objectivity and lack of bias.

Again, just like that guy said yesterday on SCW reddit...
I'm angry that supporters of the regime in this sub who have said that they support secularity seem to be against the protests, which seems incoherent for me.
They are conspiracy theorists aka "not rational" and "lacking ability to think critically". For them its as simple as "if it opposes the West its good, if it is bad for the "resistance axis" its foreign interference". If you sit there and use RT, PressTV, SANA and shitty twitter sources for "news" and then refuse to read anything counter to this worldview then you are going to be incoherent.

They lack the ability to look at a source of information and look at it with an informed outlook, meaning recognizing possible bias, looking for proper sources and credibility, understanding that many places do not have a free press etc etc etc


Remember, most of them are like 16-20 year old white middle class North Americans and Europeans and they spend all day on here cheering on autocrats and police state operating war criminals because of "secularism", "human rights", "resistance", "anti-imperalism" or whatever reason.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:27 pm

All 4 parties there are using those toyota trucks. Assad, the Kurds and the Rebels are using the same toyota trucks too. If they could control that, they would not let Assad have toyota trucks. These things are hard to control. You put a muslim from USA to buy a toyota truck in personal name, then send it on a ship to Turkey or Jordan. Then they get smuggled in. It's not that difficult to smugle things in. Hell you can smuggle all this stuff through Assad territory let alone Turkey or Jordan. Yemen is geographically isolated, is totally surrounded and has an embargo on it and yet they still can smuggle a lot of stuff in.

But why do you have a problem with ISIS now ? They are on the side of Assad for about a month or so. They have an agreement with him never to attack him and only to fight against the rebels. They were transfered to south-east Ildib along with their toyota trucks, only tanks were not allowed. They are attacking the rebels coordinated with Assad.

At least with weapons from the west that end up like that, we see people trying to do something about it. But in the case of Russia, they are more than happy with Tranznistria (territory controlled by russian troops) being the biggest weapon smuggler place in the world for decades. Tranznistrian weapons can be brought like candy and can be shipped by airplane, airplane that will not be checked by anybody cause Tranznistria is supposedly independent. No need for smuggling when you are an unrecognized independent country with Russia backing you so you can just send an airplane full of them and nobody from the west can do a damn thing. They don't even discriminate where they sell this stuff, they don't care if it's a party fighting Russia like the rebels in Syria. All that matters is making money. Tranznistria has been fueling terrorism across the world for decades and has caused incalculable human deaths. They're also doing the same when it comes to drugs and human traficking, but you won't heed DootDot having a problem with these un-buddhist activities as long as the area is aligned with Russia.

DootDot supposedly has a problem with weapons smuggling to terrorists and incalculable human deaths but not when it comes to Tranznistria of course. Tranznistria is OK as far as he's concerned.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by manas » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:30 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:33 am
...Possible eons in hell for gambling according to Buddhism...
Whoa, you will need to provide a sutta reference, if you are going to make claims like that. I've read a fair amount about Buddhism over the years, and I've NEVER encountered that notion. Where did you get that from?
Knowing this body is like a clay jar,
securing this mind like a fort,
attack Mara with the spear of discernment,
then guard what's won without settling there,
without laying claim.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by Circle5 » Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:58 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:52 pm


Blessed are those who believe without seeing. ;)
=))))))))))))))))))))))))))
This is just another proof of what happens when you read Russia Today non stop and take as 100% accurate anything you see on it. Such things have never been claimed on SCW reddit not even by biggest russian trolls.

Al-Qaeda in al-Tanaf ??? Really ? =)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I am honestly doubt they ever even suggested such things even on Russia Today, most probably that is taken from a "shitty twitter source". This is what happens when one doesn't have a clue about the syrian civil war but is full of opinions and manifests 0.0% critical thinking.

Look, you wana attack those guys in Al-Tanaf, there are plenty of valid reasons to do it. But don't use ridiculous stuff that would never be said even on Russia Today to attack them. That stuff is equal in value to saying there are ISIS troops guarding Assad pallace in Damascus, then posting some pictures of some poorly dressed NDF militias from around the pallace and claiming they are ISIS.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:57 pm

manas wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:30 pm
DooDoot wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:33 am
...Possible eons in hell for gambling according to Buddhism...
Whoa, you will need to provide a sutta reference, if you are going to make claims like that. I've read a fair amount about Buddhism over the years, and I've NEVER encountered that notion. Where did you get that from?
I already posted suttas. If you have a problem with gambling: http://www.responsiblegambling.vic.gov. ... ng-problem
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The Victorian Responsible Gambling Foundation is a statutory authority created by the Victorian Parliament specifically to address the challenge of gambling harm in the Victorian community.
There are, young householder, these six evil consequences in indulging in gambling:

(i) the winner begets hate,
(ii) the loser grieves for lost wealth,
(iii) loss of wealth,
(iv) his word is not relied upon in a court of law,
(v) he is despised by his friends and associates,
(vi) he is not sought after for matrimony; for people would say he is a gambler and is not fit to look after a wife.
(vii) weakening of intellect.

Sleeping till sunrise, adultery, irascibility, malevolence, evil companions, avarice — these six causes ruin a man.

The man who has evil comrades and friends is given to evil ways, to ruin does he fall in both worlds — here and the next.

DN 31
Bhikkhus, a god, a human or any other good state would not be evident from actions born of greed, hate and delusion. Yet, bhikkhus, from actions born of greed, hate and delusion a hellish being, an animal birth a ghostly birth or some other bad state would be evident.

AN 6.39
When the mind was thus concentrated, purified, bright, unblemished, rid of defilement, pliant, malleable, steady, & attained to imperturbability, I directed it to the knowledge of the passing away & reappearance of beings. I saw — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — beings passing away & re-appearing, and I discerned how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma: 'These beings — who were endowed with bad conduct of body, speech & mind, who reviled noble ones, held wrong views and undertook actions under the influence of wrong views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell. But these beings — who were endowed with good conduct of body, speech, & mind, who did not revile noble ones, who held right views and undertook actions under the influence of right views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the good destinations, in the heavenly world.' Thus — by means of the divine eye, purified & surpassing the human — I saw beings passing away & re-appearing, and I discerned how they are inferior & superior, beautiful & ugly, fortunate & unfortunate in accordance with their kamma.

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Fri Jan 05, 2018 1:23 am

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:01 pm
When it comes to Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. - you do not agree with Sharia law and religious dictatorship. You even complain about USA being allies with such backwards countries and doing nothing to reform them.

When it comes to Iran, you are against the segment of the population from urban areas that have been fighting for decades to end religious dictatorship and Sharia law. You are against their protests that try to end that. Those things are ok in Iran as long as they are an ally of Russia. You even go as far as doing apologetics for Sharia law and "great islamic morality", trying to show how Sharia law is in line with buddhism, even things like those 74 lashes from your own quote.
These posts give the impression of resistance to & non-delight in morality (sila). Basically, the only difference between Buddhist & Islamic morality (sila) is Islam has worldly punishment for moral transgressions & Buddhism does not proscribe any punishment. Instead, Buddhism in the world treats moral transgressors as outcasts, such as the Vinaya expels monks or families expel immoral members (example, as described in Chapter 37 of the SN) or BWB banning members. Also, Buddhism explicitly states, similar to Islam, that evil doers will be reborn in hell. However, arguably ;), Islam is more compassionate than Buddhism because giving gamblers 74 lashes & giving adulterers 100 lashes in the here-&-now may result in these sinners changing their ways & not experiencing hell in the hereafter (similar to Angulimala, who bore the results of his former evil deeds in the here-&-now). Buddhism has equanimity, similar to the stories about Maha Mogallana, who would smile when seeing beings with his physic powers (Divine Eye; Eye of God; Eye of Allah) take rebirth in hell. Hell is most clearly described in MN 130: :shock:
King Yama says, 'My good man, through heedlessness you did not do what is good with body, speech, & mind. And of course, my good man, they will deal with you in accordance with your heedlessness. For that evil kamma of yours was neither done by your mother, nor done by your father, nor done by your brother, nor done by your sister, nor done by your friends & companions, nor done by your kinsmen & relatives, nor done by the devas. That evil kamma was done by you yourself, and you yourself will experience its result.'

"Then, having interrogated & interpellated & castigated the man regarding the third deva messenger, King Yama interrogates & interpellates & castigates him regarding the fourth: 'My good man, didn't you see the fourth deva messenger that has appeared among human beings?'

"'I didn't, lord,' he says.

"Then King Yama says, 'My good man, didn't you see among human beings kings — catching a thief, a criminal — having him tortured in many ways: flogging him with whips, beating him with canes, beating him with clubs; cutting off his hands, cutting off his feet, cut off his hands & feet; cutting off his ears, cutting off his nose, cutting off his ears & nose; subjecting him to the 'porridge pot,' the 'polished-shell shave,' the 'Rāhu's mouth,' the 'flaming garland,' the 'blazing hand,' the 'grass-duty (ascetic),' the 'bark-dress (ascetic),' the 'burning antelope,' the 'meat hooks,' the 'coin-gouging,' the 'lye pickling,' the 'pivot on a stake,' the 'rolled-up bed'; having him splashed with boiling oil, devoured by dogs, impaled alive on a stake; cutting off his head with a sword?'

"'I did, lord,' he says.

"Then King Yama says, 'My good man, didn't the thought occur to you — observant & mature: "It seems that those who do evil actions are tortured in these many ways in the here-&-now. And how much more in the hereafter? I'd better do good with body, speech, & mind"?'

"'I couldn't, lord. I was heedless, lord.'

"Then King Yama says, 'My good man, through heedlessness you did not do what is good with body, speech, & mind. And of course, my good man, they will deal with you in accordance with your heedlessness. For that evil kamma of yours was neither done by your mother, nor done by your father, nor done by your brother, nor done by your sister, nor done by your friends & companions, nor done by your kinsmen & relatives, nor done by the devas. That evil kamma was done by you yourself, and you yourself will experience its result.'

"Then, having interrogated & interpellated & castigated the man regarding the fourth deva messenger, King Yama interrogates & interpellates & castigates him regarding the fifth: 'My good man, didn't you see the fifth deva messenger that has appeared among human beings?'

"'I didn't, lord,' he says.

"Then King Yama says, 'My good man, didn't you see among human beings a woman or man, one day, two days, or three days dead: bloated, livid, oozing with lymph?'

"'I did, lord,' he says.

"Then King Yama says, 'My good man, didn't the thought occur to you — observant & mature: "I, too, am subject to death, have not gone beyond death. I'd better do good with body, speech, & mind"?'

"'I couldn't, lord. I was heedless, lord.'

"Then King Yama says, 'My good man, through heedlessness you did not do what is good with body, speech, & mind. And of course, my good man, they will deal with you in accordance with your heedlessness. For that evil kamma of yours was neither done by your mother, nor done by your father, nor done by your brother, nor done by your sister, nor done by your friends & companions, nor done by your kinsmen & relatives, nor done by the devas. That evil kamma was done by you yourself, and you yourself will experience its result.'

"Then, having interrogated & interpellated & castigated the man regarding the fifth deva messenger, King Yama falls silent. [3]

"Then the hell-wardens torture [the evil-doer] with what's called a five-fold imprisonment. They drive a red-hot iron stake through one hand, they drive a red-hot iron stake through the other hand, they drive a red-hot iron stake through one foot, they drive a red-hot iron stake through the other foot, they drive a red-hot iron stake through the middle of his chest. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

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"Then the hell-wardens lay him down and slice him with axes. Then they hold him feet up & head down and slice him with adzes. Then they harness him to a chariot and drive him back & forth over ground that is burning, blazing, & glowing. Then they make him climb up & down a vast mountain of embers that is burning, blazing, & glowing. Then they hold him feet up & head down and plunge him into a red-hot copper cauldron that is burning, blazing, & glowing. There he boils with bubbles foaming. And as he is boiling there with bubbles foaming, he goes now up, he goes now down, he goes now around. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted. [4]

"Then the hell-wardens throw him into the Great Hell. And as to the Great Hell, monks:


It's four-cornered & has four gates
set in the middle of each side.
It's surrounded by an iron fortress wall
and roofed with iron.
Its floor is made of red-hot iron,
heated, fully blazing.
It stands always, spreading 100 leagues all around.
"The flame that leaps from the eastern wall of the Great Hell strikes the western wall. The flame that leaps from the western wall strikes the eastern wall. The flame that leaps from the northern wall strikes the southern wall. The flame that leaps from the southern wall strikes the northern wall. The flame that leaps from the bottom strikes the top. The flame that leaps from the top strikes the bottom. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"There comes a time when, ultimately, with the passing of a long stretch of time, the eastern gate of the Great Hell opens. He runs there, rushing quickly. As he runs there, rushing quickly, his outer skin burns, his inner skin burns, his flesh burns, his tendons burn, even his bones turn to smoke. When [his foot] is lifted, he is the just same. [5] But when he finally arrives, the door slams shut. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"There comes a time when, ultimately, with the passing of a long stretch of time, the western gate of the Great Hell opens... the northern gate... the southern gate of the Great Hell opens. He runs there, rushing quickly. As he runs there, rushing quickly, his outer skin burns, his inner skin burns, his flesh burns, his tendons burn, even his bones turn to smoke. When [his foot] is lifted, he is the just same. But when he finally arrives, the door slams shut. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"There comes a time when, ultimately, with the passing of a long stretch of time, the eastern gate of the Great Hell opens. He runs there, rushing quickly. As he runs there, rushing quickly, his outer skin burns, his inner skin burns, his flesh burns, his tendons burn, even his bones turn to smoke. When [his foot] is lifted, he is the just same. He gets out through the gate. But right next to the Great Hell is a vast Excrement Hell. He falls into that. And in that Excrement Hell needle-mouth beings bore into his outer skin. Having bored into his outer skin, they bore into his inner skin... his flesh... his tendons... the bone. Having bored into the bone, they feed on the marrow. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"Right next to the Excrement Hell is the vast Hot Ashes Hell. He falls into that. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"Right next to the Hot Ashes Hell is the vast Simbali Forest, [with trees] reaching up a league, covered with thorns sixteen fingerbreadths long — burning, blazing, & glowing. He enters that and is made to climb up & down them. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"Right next to the Simbali Forest is the vast Sword-leaf Forest. He enters that. There the leaves, stirred by the wind, cut off his hand, cut off his foot, cut off his hand & foot, cut off his ear, cut off his nose, cut off his ear & nose. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"Right next to the Sword-leaf Forest is the vast Lye-water River. He falls into that. There he is swept downstream, he is swept upstream, he is swept downstream & upstream. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"Then the hell-wardens pull him out with a hook and, placing him on the ground, say to him, 'Well, good man, what do you want?' He replies, 'I'm hungry, venerable sirs.' So the hell-wardens pry open his mouth with red-hot iron tongs — burning, blazing, & glowing — and throw into it a copper ball, burning, blazing, & glowing. It burns his lips, it burns his mouth, it burns his stomach and comes out the lower side, carrying along his bowels & intestines. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"Then the hell-wardens say to him, 'Well, good man, what do you want?' He replies, 'I'm thirsty, venerable sirs.' So the hell-wardens pry open his mouth with red-hot iron tongs — burning, blazing, & glowing — and pour into it molten copper, burning, blazing, & glowing. It burns his lips, it burns his mouth, it burns his stomach and comes out the lower side, carrying along his bowels & intestines. There he feels painful, racking, piercing feelings, yet he does not die as long as his evil kamma is not exhausted.

"Then the hell-wardens throw him back into the Great Hell once more. [6]

"Once, monks, the thought occurred to King Yama: 'Those who did evil actions in the world are tortured in these many ways. O that I might gain the human state! And that a Tathāgata — worthy & rightly self-awakened — might arise in the world! And that I might attend to that Tathāgata! And that he might teach me the Dhamma! And that I might understand his Dhamma!'

"I tell you this, monks, not from having heard it from another contemplative or brahman. On the contrary, I tell you this just as I have known for myself, seen for myself, understood for myself."

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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by chownah » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:06 am

chownah wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:38 am
doodoot,
you never did tell me where isis got their toyata trucks from....please do...
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Re: Wars & International Geopolitics

Post by DooDoot » Fri Jan 05, 2018 3:11 am

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2018 6:58 pm
This is just another proof of what happens when you read Russia Today non stop and take as 100% accurate anything you see on it. Such things have never been claimed on SCW reddit not even by biggest russian trolls.
I love this Russian propaganda video. The people in it are such amazing actors they look so real :heart:
For a person endowed with virtue, consummate in virtue, there is no need for an act of will, 'May my mind grow concentrated.' It is in the nature of things that the mind of a person consummate in virtue grows concentrated.

"For a person whose mind is concentrated, there is no need for an act of will, 'May I know & see things as they actually are.' It is in the nature of things that a person whose mind is concentrated knows & sees things as they actually are.

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