Like what? Source?alfa wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:30 amAll these are good points, but they won't apply in Prabupada's case because the man was abusive even towards fellow Indians. He would say very bad things even about great Indian sages and thinkers. This is obviously NOT Indian culture. We debate but we never abuse. But Prabupada wouldn't just debate. he would abuse people. He did not even spare people like Raman Maharshi or Vivekanand. So this goes way beyond culture. The man was abusive no matter which cultural standards we use to measure him.
And .. in India there is the division between Vaishnavs and Shaiva/Shakta.
Vivekananda was a Shaiva/Shakta, ate meat and fish, so ire about him is natural from an eminent Vaishnav (assuming you are an Indian and can comprehend what I am trying to say)
binocular wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:08 amIn the pages I linked to are references to official ISKCON texts, like Srila Prabhupada's translations and purports to the Bhagavad Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatam, as well as to his lectures and the conversations he had with devotees and other people.
These matters are far from secretive; if anything, ISKCON is one of the most transparent religious movements. As far as I know, ISKCON gurus have written essays on all controversial topics that arose in relation to their founder, and made them public.
Then you clearly didn't see the references in those websites I linked to, nor can recognize them.Anyone can write anything in a blog!! Is that the level of proof you are offering? That is worse than slander.
No link that you have presented is first hand or passes scrutiny. They are all hearsay. Secondly all that they show is .. he is using the N word several times to describe black folk .. back in 1970 what was so unusual about it?
binocular wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:08 amIf we consider SP to be just another man (and one who had an unhappy arranged marriage, that he specifically agreed to enter into in an effort to overcome attachment to sensual desire more quickly (this is no secret)), then nothing he said about women, blacks, or anything else, for that matter, is something to be upset about.
However, if we are supposed to view SP as a "pure devotee of the Lord," as "the most spiritually advanced being on the planet", as "the authority on what needs to be done in order to be pleasing to God", then this changes things, and all his words and actions gain a weight that they otherwise wouldn't have.
No one has asked you to look upon Prabhupada as an avatar or son of God. He was a well known translator and commentator of Gita .. the largest selling version but not the most accurate version since it has a definite Vaishnava slant. He was also at one time well known as founder of ISKCON (whom "real" Hindus viewed largely as eccentric whites trying to have a taste of the East)
His translation of Bhagvad Gita is the most recent and also most well known. Not many have written complete commentary (bhashya) of Gita but he did so .. in full and a reasonably admirable translation too (from Vaishnava point of view). It has to be remembered he was a self taught scholar, an autodidact. When translating something as complex as Gita .. that is laudable no matter how one looks at it since he did it while providing for a family and raising several children. One thousand pages, 700 verse translation and lengthy commentary/explanation by a non-scholar, non-academic householder is impressive work.
Some of us (Indians) have grudging admiration for the man because in 1965 at age 69 with no money in his pocket he set out to let the whole world know the message of the principal Hindu holy book Bhagavad Gita and reasonably succeeded with followers/converts in nearly every country around the world (around 200,000 when he died in 1977).
This post is about Dalai Lama and why he acts so oddly at times as seen in the video presented in OP.
Out of nowhere you brought up Prabhupada in the discussion and you are shouting yourself hoarse that if he is son of God then his behaviour is despicable