Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by binocular » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:03 pm

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Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:40 pm
By dignified, I meant Diana should have been informed/apprised through an intermediary that the Prince will have a mistress or three during his lifetime. Not let Diana discover it on her own during their honeymoon (the intertwined C cufflinks etc). Quite a shock for a 19 year old girl.
I think the failing was hers, twofold: firstly, as a prospective member of the royal family she should have informed herself better about what she was getting herself into; secondly, as a woman, she should have ruled out the possibility of cheating or come to terms with it (as opposed to being naively surprised by it).

Anyway -- The Dalai Lama ...

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by seeker242 » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:44 pm

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How could the Dalai Lama praise such a man so unreservedly?

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Perhaps because he does not harbor ill will towards people because of their actions, which is 100% inline with dhamma. :smile:

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by mikenz66 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:10 am

seeker242 wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:44 pm
Perhaps because he does not harbor ill will towards people because of their actions, which is 100% inline with dhamma. :smile:
Yes! :goodpost:

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:24 am

seeker242 wrote:
Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:44 pm
No_Mind wrote:
Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:46 pm
How could the Dalai Lama praise such a man so unreservedly?

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Perhaps because he does not harbor ill will towards people because of their actions, which is 100% inline with dhamma. :smile:
Surely a matured mind can find a place between ill will and unreserved praise to speak from.

Where does ill will enter into it? Who among us has said they harbour ill will towards George W Bush, Prince Charles et al. Why this addiction to extreme ends of the spectrum?

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by binocular » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:53 am

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Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:24 am
Surely a matured mind can find a place between ill will and unreserved praise to speak from.
Oh, especially you as an Indian should know that praise can be much much greater than what the DL said to Prince Charles.

In roundabout, if an Asian praises someone, that generally doesn't mean much. Our sociology professor illustrated this principle like this: If an Arab says ten times about a woman that she is beautiful, that means that he thinks she is so-so. It's only if he were to express this praise profusely and consistently, dozens of times, would that mean that he actually thinks she is beautiful. Unlike Westerners, where saying something once tends to be considered sufficient and definite.

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:32 am

binocular wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:53 am
No_Mind wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:24 am
Surely a matured mind can find a place between ill will and unreserved praise to speak from.
Oh, especially you as an Indian should know that praise can be much much greater than what the DL said to Prince Charles.

In roundabout, if an Asian praises someone, that generally doesn't mean much. Our sociology professor illustrated this principle like this: If an Arab says ten times about a woman that she is beautiful, that means that he thinks she is so-so. It's only if he were to express this praise profusely and consistently, dozens of times, would that mean that he actually thinks she is beautiful. Unlike Westerners, where saying something once tends to be considered sufficient and definite.
Without offending your professor I have to say that this is not really an accurate portrayal of Asians. Just like every Westerner is not sitting on a horse and smoking Marlboro, all Asians are not given to profuse praising.

Many Asian races are surly and speak very little - Koreans, Chinese, Japanese. In Arab culture elaborate praise is present. Not elsewhere.

Only one common trait binds all Asians .. (I know it is off topic but indulge me) .. direct conversations do not happen .. I have written about it elsewhere .. let me copy paste it -
If a cop in London needed a loan of £2,000 from a friend he would call the guy over for a drink after work and just lay it out - "Hey pal, could you lend me some money, Molly has been laid off from work and I am behind on rent."

Now if I was going to ask for a loan it would begin with one hour of general conversation .. followed by how prices are rising .. followed by how income is falling followed by .. followed by .. followed by uncomfortable silence from both sides .. followed by broaching the topic of loan (on the whole it holds true for much of Asia from Middle East to Korea).

Lots of groundwork before asking anything. So debates are not very fruitful because there is no time in a debate.

On the whole Asians are not very argumentative or direct.
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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by binocular » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:52 am

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:32 am
Without offending your professor I have to say that this is not really an accurate portrayal of Asians. Just like every Westerner is not sitting on a horse and smoking Marlboro, all Asians are not given to profuse praising.
The idea is to talk about the abstract, stereotypical Asian or Westerner, not about particular, actual people. Actual people often differ greatly from the stereotype about their nation or religion.

Communicating with people from other cultures can be extremely difficult, as the other person could be a typical representative of it, or not, but by the time one finds out, it could be too late.

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by chownah » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:03 pm

I looked at the video.....I don't see what the point of this thread is. Sounds like the dalia llama was just praising an old friend. Why does he do that?....because he is very fond of his old friend?....maybe at the time the video was made the prince was getting alot of really bad press and he expressed some sadness to the dalia llama about that and the dalia lama was trying to cheer him up a bit and give him some good press......from this we get this thread.....just look at the things people are talking about and saying.....sounds like the national enquirer weekly scandal guide. :buddha2: :toilet:
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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:24 pm

binocular wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:52 am
Communicating with people from other cultures can be extremely difficult, as the other person could be a typical representative of it, or not, but by the time one finds out, it could be too late.
Is it .. I have never found that. I have had Germans, British, Americans, Japanese as friends (both as temporary tourist friends sharing adjoining rooms and longer term as neighbours). In present day, most of the educated (barring some from Bible belt in US or cow belt in India .. the regressive zones in every country) are global citizens.

Would have made a good topic of discussion .. but sadly off topic.

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by seeker242 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:14 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:24 am
Where does ill will enter into it?
Why does it matter what the Dalai Lama says to Prince Charles?

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:44 pm

seeker242 wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:14 pm
No_Mind wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:24 am
Where does ill will enter into it?
Why does it matter what the Dalai Lama says to Prince Charles?
It is not what he says to Prince Charles that matters but what he says about Prince Charles.

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by manas » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:07 pm

For all his reported faults, I find myself liking the Dalai Lama. He is easygoing, has a sense of humour, and knows a lot about Tibetan Buddhism. I'd rather have a cuppa and a chat with him, than a lot of other people I know, or know of. I would also suggest that, folks ought to be careful, simply quoting hearsay (I've noticed a bit in places) about someone, unless they have pretty clear evidence that a report is true; I can recall the Buddha warning about this once, although I wouldn't know where to find the passage.

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by No_Mind » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:21 pm

DL said -

"Right from beginning I felt very nice person, so I think 70 years through his own action he proved very wonderful, sensible, good human being"

Prince Charles is a wonderful, sensible, good human being .. :shock:

I thought some here would say he was speaking tongue-in-cheek .. I thought (and prefer to think) he was speaking tongue-in-cheek .. hence I shared the video

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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by binocular » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:35 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:21 pm
"Right from beginning I felt very nice person, so I think 70 years through his own action he proved very wonderful, sensible, good human being"

Prince Charles is a wonderful, sensible, good human being .. :shock:

I thought some here would say he was speaking tongue-in-cheek .. I thought (and prefer to think) he was speaking tongue-in-cheek .. hence I shared the video
/.../
"There is the case where a person of integrity, when asked, does not reveal another person's bad points, to say nothing of when unasked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of another person's bad points not in full, not in detail, with omissions, holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of integrity.'

"Then again, a person of integrity, when unasked, reveals another person's good points, to say nothing of when asked. Furthermore, when asked, when pressed with questions, he is one who speaks of another person's good points in full & in detail, without omissions, without holding back. Of this person you may know, 'This venerable one is a person of integrity.'
/.../
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Re: Why does Dalai Lama do the things he does?

Post by chownah » Wed Jan 03, 2018 2:36 am

No_Mind wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:21 pm
Prince Charles is a wonderful, sensible, good human being .. :shock:
Are you saying that you think that charlie is not a wonderful, sensible, good human being? What a novel idea that is. I haven't heard anything bad about him.....can you fill me in on what he has done?
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