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Israel calls on world Jewry

Post by DooDoot » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:33 pm

When will they ever learn? Keep fueling resentment & violence via bullying? :shrug:
There is a long tradition of Jewish anti-Zionism that has opposed the Zionist project from its origins.... David Novak writes that many Jewish anti-Zionists resent the way Zionism 'mak(es) Jewishly unwarranted claims on them and other Jews'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Zionism#Before_1948
Israel calls on world Jewry to appeal to govts on Jerusalem

Israel, US, work feverishly to defeat UN resolution denying Jewish, Israeli rights in Jerusalem.


Israel's Foreign Ministry called on the Jewish communities around the world to appeal to their governments to oppose the resolution condemning the United States' recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel which the UN General Assembly will vote on tomorrow.

The appeal to world Jewry comes as Israel and the US are conducting fervent diplomatic efforts to convince other nations to vote against the resolution, which is considered an insult to the US and a denial of Jewish and Israeli rights in Jerusalem.

The Palestinian Authority and its allies submitted a resolution to the General Assembly condemning Trump's recognition of Jerusalem and pledge to relocate the US embassy to Israel's capital after the US vetoed a similar resolution at the Security Council.

US President Donald Trump warned that the US could withdraw its foreign aid to countries which vote in favor of the resolution.

Speaking at the last Cabinet meeting of 2017, Trump said that the US would take note of the countries which receive hundreds of millions, and even billions, of dollars in US aid and still vote the criticize the US at the UN over his acknowledgement of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

“They take hundreds of millions of dollars and even billions of dollars, and then they vote against us. Well, we’re watching those votes. Let them vote against us. We’ll save a lot. We don’t care,” he told reporters before the Cabinet meeting according to Reuters.

On Tuesday, US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley warned that the US would be "taking names" on the countries which voted to condemn the US recognition of Jerusalem.

“At the UN we're always asked to do more and give more. So, when we make a decision, at the will of the American people, about where to locate OUR embassy, we don't expect those we've helped to target us. On Thursday there'll be a vote criticizing our choice. The U.S. will be taking names,” Ambassador Haley tweeted.

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However, the Central Jewish Association of Germany, was of the opinion that the Nazi government was not deliberately provoking anti-Jewish pogroms. It issued a statement of support for the regime and held that "the responsible government authorities [i.e. the Hitler regime] are unaware of the threatening situation," saying, "we do not believe our German fellow citizens will let themselves be carried away into committing excesses against the Jews."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Nazi_boycott_of_1933
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Post by chownah » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:39 am

Trump is trying to buy votes. This shows how he is utterly lacking in understanding of the idea of democracy. I'm not surprised.....is anyone?
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Post by Alexander____ » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:25 am

I'm no great Zionist, but I'm not sure how ignorance of the extent or objectives of Nazi antisemitic violence in the 1930s figures in this narrative. Unless you're suggesting that's part of a greater scheme to promote violence.

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Post by DooDoot » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:59 am

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I'm not sure how ignorance of the extent or objectives of Nazi antisemitic violence in the 1930s figures in this narrative.
On 24 March 1933 (per the date of the newspaper article posted), the so-called self-appointed leaders of World Jewry made a call to all Jewish people (& others) for an economic boycott of Germany, which was the very day Hitler was granted temporary power (despite being previously planned). This call upon world Jewry obviously did not help the average Jewish citizen of Germany. Further, economic boycotts harm many people (as shown in the videos) & the German people had already suffered extensively economically since the end of WW1. It might be difficult to find the exact truth about this and there are many opinions on this (such as this link: https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scrip ... ecwar.html) but the following website is obviously not biased when referring to one of the repercussions of that Jewry call for an economic boycott. Cause & effect.
On April 1, 1933, the Nazis carried out the first nationwide, planned action against Jews: a boycott targeting Jewish businesses and professionals. The boycott was both a reprisal and an act of revenge against Gruelpropaganda (atrocity stories) that German and foreign Jews, assisted by foreign journalists, were allegedly circulating in the international press to damage Nazi Germany's reputation.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.ph ... d=10005678
I posted the article from 1933 because today's news article called "Israel calls on world Jewry" reminded me of it. Bullying people & nations, threatening to withdraw foreign aid and engaging in economic boycotts is obviously not something particularly skillful & is probably a better way to make enemies than make friends. The 1933 article was a Judaic declaration of war against Germany; just as today's article is an Israel-US threat against some nations.




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Post by Bundokji » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:39 am

The following article might be relevant.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/21/polit ... index.html

For once, i wish they cut or suspend aid to my country. It would be a positive change in the long term and push the government and the people to manage the budget in a sustainable way.
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Post by DooDoot » Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:57 am

How countries were pressured by the US to vote for the 1947 Partition Plan. Same old story.
Zionists launched an intense White House lobby to have the UNSCOP plan endorsed, and the effects were not trivial. The Democratic Party, a large part of whose contributions came from Jews, informed Truman that failure to live up to promises to support the Jews in Palestine would constitute a danger to the party. The defection of Jewish votes in congressional elections in 1946 had contributed to electoral losses. Truman was, according to Roger Cohen, embittered by feelings of being a hostage to the lobby and its 'unwarranted interference', which he blamed for the contemporary impasse. When a formal American declaration in favour of partition was given on 11 October, a public relations authority declared to the Zionist Emergency Council in a closed meeting: 'under no circumstances should any of us believe or think we had won because of the devotion of the American Government to our cause. We had won because of the sheer pressure of political logistics that was applied by the Jewish leadership in the United States'. State Department advice critical of the controversial UNSCOP recommendation to give the overwhelmingly Arab town of Jaffa, and the Negev, to the Jews was overturned by an urgent and secret late meeting organized for Chaim Weizman with Truman, which immediately countermanded the recommendation. The United States initially refrained from pressuring smaller states to vote either way, but Robert A. Lovett reported that America's U.N. delegation's case suffered impediments from high pressure by Jewish groups, and that indications existed that bribes and threats were being used, even of American sanctions against Liberia and Nicaragua. When the UNSCOP plan failed to achieve the necessary majority on 25 November, the lobby 'moved into high gear' and induced the President to overrule the State Department, and let wavering governments know that the U.S. strongly desired partition.

Proponents of the Plan reportedly put pressure on nations to vote yes to the Partition Plan. A telegram signed by 26 US senators with influence on foreign aid bills was sent to wavering countries, seeking their support for the partition plan. The US Senate was considering a large aid package at the time, including 60 million dollars to China. Many nations reported pressure directed specifically at them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Na ... t_the_Plan


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How countries were pressured by the US to vote for the 1947 Partition Plan. Same old story.
The 1947 UN Partition Plan was an excellent plan. It called for a Jewish state (Israel) and an independent Arab state (Palestine) and then an international zone for the Jerusalem area. It was rejected by the Palestinians and the ensuing war broke out where Israel basically said to hell with the Palestinians and took it all.

If only the Palestinians would have accepted that UN agreement, there would have been a Palestinian independent nation for 70 years now. But this of course doesn't excuse the things Israel has done either during this past 70 years.

If this new UN resolution against Trump and Israel passes, it will be ignored by Israel and the U.S. just like all the other resolutions from the past from the UN (ordering withdrawal from occupied territories, etc).

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Update: UN votes 128-9 condemning the Trump move of the embassy to Jerusalem, with 35 abstentions.

Like I say, Israel and the U.S. will just ignore this resolution, like all the past ones.

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Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:17 pm
The 1947 UN Partition Plan was an excellent plan.
Like cutting California in half to create a separate state for a flood of illegal Hispanic immigrants would be an excellent plan? I think it will be found insufficient nations supported the plan but US threats swayed them, particularly the Latin American countries. The very fact the UK abstained from voting shows something, namely, the post WW2 violence & illegality of the Zionist organisers; such as the King David Hotel bombing & sinking of the Jewish refugee boat Patria by those who would eventually become Israeli prime ministers.
The Jewish Brigade Group, formed as a unit within the British army in late 1944, worked with former partisans to help organize the Brihah (literally "escape"), the exodus of 250,000 Jewish refugees across closed borders from inside Europe to the coast in an attempt to sail for Palestine. The Mosad le-Aliyah Bet, an agency established by the Jewish leadership in Palestine, organized "illegal" immigration (Aliyah Bet) by ship. However, the British intercepted most of the ships.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.ph ... d=10005459
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It called for a Jewish state (Israel)
Based on the tenuous historical claims, this Jewish state should have probably been called 'Judah' (since the tribe of Judah split from the other ten tribes of Israel in about 1200 BC and the Kingdom of Israel ceased to exist in around 800BC). It might be a myth Jews were expelled by the Romans because Jews were having uprisings in Palestine up to the time of Islam (eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_re ... _Heraclius). Jews voluntary left Judah (not Israel) during the Greek & Roman Empires and settled all around the Mediterranean doing business, at least according to Israeli Professor Schlomo Sand's book: http://www.rafapal.com/wp-content/uploa ... e-2009.pdf . The idea of a new 'Israel' was probably something promoted by the Protestants who supported Zionism.
and an independent Arab state (Palestine) and then an international zone for the Jerusalem area.
Assuming the Plan was "unavoidable" (rather than "excellent"), yes, an international zone for the Jerusalem area was a good idea, which was probably why the Knesset was originally in Tel Aviv for some time; and which is a good reason for the US to not move their Embassy to Jerusalem. Moving the Embassy betrays the spirit of the original Partition Plan.
It was rejected by the Palestinians and the ensuing war broke out where Israel basically said to hell with the Palestinians and took it all.
I haven't studied this much but it is natural they would reject it, just as California & the other American states would reject partitioning California for Hispanics or NYC for Jews.
If only the Palestinians would have accepted that UN agreement, there would have been a Palestinian independent nation for 70 years now.
Its probably more complicated than that.
But this of course doesn't excuse the things Israel has done either during this past 70 years.
OK.
If this new UN resolution against Trump and Israel passes, it will be ignored by Israel and the U.S. just like all the other resolutions from the past from the UN (ordering withdrawal from occupied territories, etc).
Yes. More bullying, causing animosity.

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Post by DNS » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:41 pm

Assuming the Plan was "unavoidable" (rather than "excellent"), yes, an international zone for the Jerusalem area was a good idea, which was probably why the Knesset was originally in Tel Aviv for some time; and which is a good reason for the US to not move their Embassy to Jerusalem. Moving the Embassy betrays the spirit of the original Partition Plan.
It was excellent in that it was the most feasible plan, the best of the options available and to please all sides. Still to this day, we see that Jerusalem is the major snag in the peace process. Whenever peace between Palestinians and Israelis gets close (Camp David, etc) it always fails and it's always the Jerusalem issue. The Partition plan was perfect with that solved with the international zone and the rest of Palestine roughly equally divided.
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Based on the tenuous historical claims, this Jewish state should have probably been called 'Judah' (since the tribe of Judah split from the other ten tribes of Israel in about 1200 BC and the Kingdom of Israel ceased to exist in around 800BC). It might be a myth Jews were expelled by the Romans because Jews were having uprisings in Palestine up to the time of Islam (eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_re ... _Heraclius). Jews voluntary left Judah (not Israel) during the Greek & Roman Empires and settled all around the Mediterranean doing business, at least according to Israeli Professor Schlomo Sand's book: http://www.rafapal.com/wp-content/uploa ... e-2009.pdf . The idea of a new 'Israel' was probably something promoted by the Protestants who supported Zionism.
I have to give you credit, you know Mid East history. :thumbsup: I studied a lot of Mid East history too while in high school in Israel. Most people don't know that, that the current Jews are all descended from just the tribe of Judah and then allegedly some from Levi tribe. The Levi tribe is the priestly (brahmin) tribe who are the only ones allowed to be priests when the Temple exists in Jerusalem. They are determined from those with last names such as Cohen, Cohn, Kahn, and similar names (the Hebrew 'Kohain' means priest).

And then you probably also know about the Israeli Civil War, that happened around 1100 BCE. The Northerners said the capital is Shechem (Nablus), not Jerusalem, but in the end, it was the tribe of Judah that prevailed. I liked the Samaritans (the Northerners), they never went into the diaspora and got along well with Israelis (Jews) and Arabs.

Today there are only about 791 Samaritans left. They might actually be the "real" Israelis; it's just that they lost the war to Judeans (who became what is now known as Jews and then claimed Israel).

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DNS wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:06 pm
Update: UN votes 128-9 condemning the Trump move of the embassy to Jerusalem, with 35 abstentions.

Like I say, Israel and the U.S. will just ignore this resolution, like all the past ones.

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So what happens after that? Does the un or anyone else reprimand the us or Israel in any way?
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Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:26 pm
So what happens after that? Does the un or anyone else reprimand the us or Israel in any way?
Nothing happens. The UN vote does reprimand them, but just like in all past resolutions, nothing changes, the UN has no enforcement powers.

The Trump administration will start making plans for moving the embassy, by looking for some land, architects, builders etc in Jerusalem and then with zoning, permits, etc, it will probably take about 3 years. In the meantime, if Trump loses reelection, it is likely the Democrat president will cancel the move, if it hasn't been completed.

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Post by alan » Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:16 am

i think you are right, David. A long time ago, I worked in Tel Aviv, right next to the American Embassy. Got to know Israeli culture a bit. And also got to know the Palestinians I was working with--it was a Cappuccino shop. I made the coffee.
Then moved to Jerusalem. Completely different people there. Most of them were fanatics.
Who are the Israelis? I liked them, to tell you the truth. Liked some Palestinians too.
Didn't like the fanatics, though.

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i think you are right, David. A long time ago, I worked in Tel Aviv, right next to the American Embassy. Got to know Israeli culture a bit. And also got to know the Palestinians I was working with--it was a Cappuccino shop. I made the coffee.
Then moved to Jerusalem. Completely different people there. Most of them were fanatics.
Who are the Israelis? I liked them, to tell you the truth. Liked some Palestinians too.
Didn't like the fanatics, though.
Small world! What years were you there? I made friends with Israelis and Palestinians too, the secular types. I often rode my bicycle through Palestinian areas on Saturday (sabbath) because if I go through Jewish neighborhoods, some fanatics would throw rocks at me (forbidden for Jews to work or exercise on sabbath).

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Post by alan » Fri Dec 22, 2017 3:48 am

88 and 89. I was just a poor backpacker in those days. Had to live on my wits, as they say. Was so poor. Now that I am no longer poor, I still look back to those days.
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