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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:46 am

well i think you should read the rest of what i posted and maybe figure that it could be intended to support that statement. if you don't come to the same conclusion, then perhaps explain why.
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Aloka » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:35 am

Stiphan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:15 am
I am deeply concerned about the various issues and struggles that women and girls face on a daily basis and I want them to achieve emancipation and equality and equity.

As a woman myself, I'd like to thank you for your kind thoughts, Stiphan.

This is one of the many suttas I find inspirational :

So freed! So freed!
So thoroughly freed am I —
from my pestle,
my shameless husband
& his sun-shade making,
my moldy old pot
with its water-snake smell.
Aversion & passion
I cut with a chop.
Having come to the foot of a tree,
I meditate, absorbed in the bliss:
"What bliss!"

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May all sentient beings have peace and happiness .

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by DooDoot » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:04 am

Aloka wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:35 am
Stiphan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:15 am
I am deeply concerned about the various issues and struggles that women and girls face on a daily basis and I want them to achieve emancipation and equality and equity.

As a woman myself, I'd like to thank you for your kind thoughts, Stiphan.

This is one of the many suttas I find inspirational :

So freed! So freed!
So thoroughly freed am I —
from my pestle,
my shameless husband
& his sun-shade making,
my moldy old pot
with its water-snake smell.
Aversion & passion
I cut with a chop.
Having come to the foot of a tree,
I meditate, absorbed in the bliss:
"What bliss!"

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html


May all sentient beings have peace and happiness .

:anjali:
I am not sure what the correlation is between the worldly hopes in the OP with a sutta about Nibbana? As the Buddha taught, there are many empty huts & many foots of trees but I don't notice women sitting under the many shady trees attaining Nibbana bliss. Sorry. But I doubt making impressionable women confused is the purpose of these sutta teachings. If your sentiment Sister Aloka was actually true, there would be billions of female form Arahants in the world. Another famous Australian feminist was Helen Reddy, who wrote & sung the song: "I Am Woman". After her marriage ended, Helen decided to leave her Hollywood lifestyle & live a solitude life in Sydny Australia; believing she could do anything. After a few months, Helen returned to her Hollywood life. I think it is best to try to be realistic. Buddhism teaches a Threefold Path, for which all facets must be mastered for liberation & emancipation. Getting all cranky pants at your untamed derelict husband is not probably sufficient for emancipation. :roll:

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:09 am

Greetings,
Aloka wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:35 am
May all sentient beings have peace and happiness .
The universality expressed here is compatible with the boundless and non-discriminatory nature of the brahma-viharas.

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Metta :)
Upekkha :meditate:

Metta,
Paul. :)
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Aloka » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:52 am

I am not sure what the correlation is between the worldly hopes in the OP with a sutta about Nibbana? As the Buddha taught, there are many empty huts & many foots of trees but I don't notice women sitting under the many shady trees attaining Nibbana bliss. Sorry. But I doubt making impressionable women confused is the purpose of these sutta teachings. If your sentiment Sister Aloka was actually true, there would be billions of female form Arahants in the world. Another famous Australian feminist was Helen Reddy, who wrote & sung the song: "I Am Woman". After her marriage ended, Helen decided to leave her Hollywood lifestyle & live a solitude life in Sydny Australia; believing she could do anything. After a few months, Helen returned to her Hollywood life. I think it is best to try to be realistic. Buddhism teaches a Threefold Path, for which all facets must be mastered for liberation & emancipation. Getting all cranky pants at your untamed derelict husband is not probably sufficient for emancipation. :roll:


Oh lay off always wanting to pick on me in internet groups ,"DooDoot". Sorry but Its predicatable and boring - and you are not my teacher.


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Re: Feminism for men

Post by binocular » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:22 am

DooDoot wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:04 am
As the Buddha taught, there are many empty huts & many foots of trees but I don't notice women sitting under the many shady trees attaining Nibbana bliss.
Agreed! Which I find very disconcerting.
Another famous Australian feminist was Helen Reddy, who wrote & sung the song: "I Am Woman".
I find feminisms to be mostly shallow, useless, and misleading. This particularly because they advertise themselves as "women's liberation" and such, assuming themselves to have The Solution to all problmes faced (specifically) by women, but it's just more bondage. Moreover, I find it's bondage to quite lowly ideals, not better than the ones feminisms oppose.
Getting all cranky pants at your untamed derelict husband is not probably sufficient for emancipation.
Exactly.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Aloka » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:26 am

binocular wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:22 am
DooDoot wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:04 am
As the Buddha taught, there are many empty huts & many foots of trees but I don't notice women sitting under the many shady trees attaining Nibbana bliss.
Agreed! Which I find very disconcerting.
Unless you both have access to psychic powers and phenomena and can scan the whole world with your supernormal vision, I am not sure how you are able to come to this conclusion - except maybe in the two different countries in which you both live.

Its also likely that if women are meditating quietly somewhere outdoors, they're not telling the rest of the world about it anyway.

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by binocular » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:50 am

Aloka wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:26 am
Unless you both have access to psychic powers and phenomena and can scan the whole world with your supernormal vision, I am not sure how you are able to come to this conclusion - except maybe in the two different countries in which you both live.

Its also likely that if women are meditating quietly somewhere outdoors, they're not telling the rest of the world about it anyway.
If such women are out there -- and in great numbers at that -- then why aren't they offering their help and insights in terms of the Dhamma, the way many men do -- the way the Buddha did?

Why are they leaving us out in the dark and the cold?

I have made a concerted effort to find a suitable female teacher, but so far, found none.
Every person we save is one less zombie to fight. -- World War Z

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Aloka » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:34 am

binocular wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:50 am
Aloka wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:26 am
Unless you both have access to psychic powers and phenomena and can scan the whole world with your supernormal vision, I am not sure how you are able to come to this conclusion - except maybe in the two different countries in which you both live.

Its also likely that if women are meditating quietly somewhere outdoors, they're not telling the rest of the world about it anyway.
If such women are out there -- and in great numbers at that -- then why aren't they offering their help and insights in terms of the Dhamma, the way many men do -- the way the Buddha did?

Why are they leaving us out in the dark and the cold?

I have made a concerted effort to find a suitable female teacher, but so far, found none.
Buddhism is still very much a man's world, binocular. However, I don't know about "great numbers" but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of women practising quietly out there, whichever tradition they prefer. I meditate outdoors myself when the weather is warmer, under a tree in my garden! I much prefer meditation in the open air and did the same when I was a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner too.

As far as finding a female teacher goes, check around for Theravada nuns who give talks and advice , I think there might be some on YouTube - and there are definately some female lamas who have students in Tibetan Buddhism.

....and my apologies to Stiphan because this is going way off topic.


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Re: Feminism for men

Post by binocular » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:40 am

Aloka wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:34 am
As far as finding a female teacher goes, check around for Theravada nuns who give talks and advice
This is precisely what I did.
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Aloka » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:44 am

binocular wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:40 am
Aloka wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:34 am
As far as finding a female teacher goes, check around for Theravada nuns who give talks and advice
This is precisely what I did.
Feel free to pm me if you want to continue chatting later, binocular.

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Turmeric » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:33 am

Stiphan wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:15 am
I am deeply concerned about the various issues and struggles that women and girls face on a daily basis and I want them to achieve emancipation and equality and equity. I don't know if that automatically makes me a feminist, but I should perhaps do more than just feel concern. Perhaps speaking up or writing on these issues would help inspire other men to do the same but, other than that, is there anything else I could do to help women and girls towards the achievement of equality and the other aims of feminism?

Also, it's not as if I am neglecting male rights, but let's face it - females have it much harder than us, their rights are nowhere near ours, they face discrimination and sexism, are being raped and physically and domestically assaulted, earn less on average, etc etc... I think that this state of affairs is horrendous and I can't stand not doing something about it.

May all females and males be happy and safe.
More men get raped than women. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... abuse.html

The wage gap is a myth. Debunked in 60 seconds.

Men experience more sexism than women. Just do a google search for "dumb white men" or something and check out how socially acceptable it is to crap all over men. The west is a misandrist self hating culture.

"Also, it's not as if I am neglecting male rights, but let's face it - females have it much harder than us, their rights are nowhere near ours, they face discrimination and sexism, are being raped and physically and domestically assaulted, earn less on average, etc etc... I think that this state of affairs is horrendous and I can't stand not doing something about it." Me thinks the gentleman doth protest too much. This is America. Women wake up in pajamas and eat pancakes. They'll be fine.

Here's a nice video below of some feminists protesting, shouting in mens faces, telling them they are disgusting rapist pigs. These are the people that want to make it illegal for men to say hi to women without their consent. That want to ban "romantic" dolls for men, but not for women. That made it illegal in sweden for men to buy prostitutes, but not for women to buy prostitutes. And of course, the women that walk around doing shirtless protests, then get mad when someone looks at them.

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Re: Feminism for men

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by lyndon taylor » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:12 am

Even if there are a lot of men raped in Prison, the rapists are always men, when's the last time you heard of a woman rapist, not that they don't exist, but seriously!!
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Turmeric » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:54 am

lyndon taylor wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:12 am
Even if there are a lot of men raped in Prison, the rapists are always men, when's the last time you heard of a woman rapist, not that they don't exist, but seriously!!
"Myra Hindley and Ian Brady were responsible for the “Moors murders” occurring in the Manchester area of Britain in the mid 1960’s. Together these two monsters were responsible for the kidnapping, sexual abuse, torture and murder of three children under the age of twelve and two teenagers, aged 16 and 17. A key found in Myra’s possession led to incriminating evidence stored at a left-luggage depot at Manchester Central Station. The evidence included a tape recording of one of the murder victims screaming as Hindley and Brady raped and tortured her."
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