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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Mr Man » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:16 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:32 am

I hope this is enough to show that the matter is not simple, and we cannot just write off these women as 'alt-right', and thereby imply that they are evil bigoted morons.
The matter may not be simple but the videos are right wing propaganda. If you think promoting the extreme right is good, well good for you :clap:

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:28 am

Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:16 am
Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:32 am

I hope this is enough to show that the matter is not simple, and we cannot just write off these women as 'alt-right', and thereby imply that they are evil bigoted morons.
The matter may not be simple but the videos are right wing propaganda. If you think promoting the extreme right is good, well good for you :clap:
You are very certain that you know what's going on aren't you Mr Man? It must be very easy for you: 'this one is evil, this one is good'. I don't tend to trust my views quite as much as you apparently do - I prefer to leave some space for the possibility that there might be other aspects to a matter which I don't necessarily see clearly. Would that my sight were as good as yours.
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Mr Man » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:39 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:28 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:16 am
Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:32 am

I hope this is enough to show that the matter is not simple, and we cannot just write off these women as 'alt-right', and thereby imply that they are evil bigoted morons.
The matter may not be simple but the videos are right wing propaganda. If you think promoting the extreme right is good, well good for you :clap:
You are very certain that you know what's going on aren't you Mr Man? It must be very easy for you: 'this one is evil, this one is good'. I don't tend to trust my views quite as much as you apparently do - I prefer to leave some space for the possibility that there might be other aspects to a matter which I don't necessarily see clearly. Would that my sight were as good as yours.
This is not about me! The clips are right wing propaganda that is all. Does it bother you that that has been flagged up?

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:55 am

Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:39 am
Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:28 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:16 am


The matter may not be simple but the videos are right wing propaganda. If you think promoting the extreme right is good, well good for you :clap:
You are very certain that you know what's going on aren't you Mr Man? It must be very easy for you: 'this one is evil, this one is good'. I don't tend to trust my views quite as much as you apparently do - I prefer to leave some space for the possibility that there might be other aspects to a matter which I don't necessarily see clearly. Would that my sight were as good as yours.
This is not about me! The clips are right wing propaganda that is all. Does it bother you that that has been flagged up?
Correction: it is your assertion that the video is 'right wing propaganda'. Such a statement has no significance beyond it being your opinion.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Kamran » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:21 pm

Someone would have to conduct a study to see exactly how much violence against women comes from immigrants in order to verify.

But it certainly seems like the videos are right-wing propaganda.

Unfortunately, I think this is the type of propaganda people like.
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by chownah » Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:29 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:55 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:39 am
Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:28 am


You are very certain that you know what's going on aren't you Mr Man? It must be very easy for you: 'this one is evil, this one is good'. I don't tend to trust my views quite as much as you apparently do - I prefer to leave some space for the possibility that there might be other aspects to a matter which I don't necessarily see clearly. Would that my sight were as good as yours.
This is not about me! The clips are right wing propaganda that is all. Does it bother you that that has been flagged up?
Correction: it is your assertion that the video is 'right wing propaganda'. Such a statement has no significance beyond it being your opinion.
Do you dispute that the video was produced by members of the right wing?...do you dispute that it is propoganda?
It seems pretty clear that it is right wing propoganda.
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:24 pm

chownah wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:29 pm
Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:55 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:39 am


This is not about me! The clips are right wing propaganda that is all. Does it bother you that that has been flagged up?
Correction: it is your assertion that the video is 'right wing propaganda'. Such a statement has no significance beyond it being your opinion.
Do you dispute that the video was produced by members of the right wing?...do you dispute that it is propoganda?
It seems pretty clear that it is right wing propoganda.
chownah
I think it rather depends on where on the political spectrum one sits - from a point further right, this might seem liberal. From an extreme left wing position, Stalin might seem like a right-winger. It's all relative. Besides, fact is orthogonal to ideology.

I'd like to ask you to define the difference between opinion and propaganda.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


'Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return.' - Genesis 3:19

'Some fart freely, some try to hide and silence it. Which one is correct?' - Saegnapha

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Re: Feminism for men

Post by robertk » Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:53 pm

Pseudobabble wrote: .

I'd like to ask you to define the difference between opinion and propaganda.
it all depends who says it?
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Re: Feminism for men

Post by chownah » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:09 pm

Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:24 pm
chownah wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:29 pm
Pseudobabble wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:55 am


Correction: it is your assertion that the video is 'right wing propaganda'. Such a statement has no significance beyond it being your opinion.
Do you dispute that the video was produced by members of the right wing?...do you dispute that it is propoganda?
It seems pretty clear that it is right wing propoganda.
chownah
I think it rather depends on where on the political spectrum one sits - from a point further right, this might seem liberal. From an extreme left wing position, Stalin might seem like a right-winger. It's all relative. Besides, fact is orthogonal to ideology.

I'd like to ask you to define the difference between opinion and propaganda.
Where one sits on the political spectrum only changes the word one would use to denote the political position....it doesn't change what the political beliefs/views are which were formative in making the video. Call it by whatever name you want or compare it to positions farther right or left but it is still the same thing only with a different name. I think it is pretty clear what has been meant by "right wing" in this exchange....if you aren't sure then just read up on the position of those who made the video and accept that that is what is meant.

One difference between opinion and propoganda is that opinion in and of itself is passive in that it is simply defining a position while propaganda is always active in that it always tries to sway people's position. I could just say that I think that immigrants are rapists and that would be me stating an opinion or I could produce a film trying to convince people that immigrants are rapists and that would be propoganda.

Interesting that you claim that fact is orthogonal to ideology. I think that in general this is usually true for the most part......but what is interesting is that you would assert that there is a thing called "fact" at all since you also claim that "it's all relative" which you seem to use to deny the existence of "facts".
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