Trump. And why I hate him.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by binocular » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:57 pm

chownah wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:52 pm
Is the graph inflation adjusted?
Moreover, is the comparison really valid?

For example, in Europe after WWII many countries were socialist, regardless whether they were in the Eastern or Western block, because a socialist system is necessary for completing the enormous effort to rebuild countries and economies devastated by the war. But once the basic infrastructure needed for economic growth is completed, a socialist system seems to become detrimental to it.

It's like CPR: performing it on a healthy person could even kill them. Doesn't mean that it's bad.
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by alan » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:09 am

Hey Retro, I'd be willing to run for President, since you asked me to flip the ticket. Who would you suggest as my VP?

Also, I could have a good hat. This one is ok, but, I think green and yellow would be better. It is a beautiful color combination. [attachment=0]Unknown.jpeg[/attachment
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by perkele » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:39 am

alan wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:48 am
Also, I''ve been offered a gig on MSNBC as a commenter. Do you think I should take it?
I know, this was addressed at retro. But my answer is: Yes!

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Post by alan » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:58 am

Promise to always tell the truth. And not put up with any B.S. When confronted with that, I will point it out.
Because that is how I roll.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:25 am

Greetings Alan,
alan wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:09 am
Hey Retro, I'd be willing to run for President, since you asked me to flip the ticket. Who would you suggest as my VP?
Tim Ryan.

And yes, take the MSNBC gig... unfortunately I don't have that channel though, so maybe upload your appearances on Youtube ;)

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by alan » Fri Dec 29, 2017 1:34 am

Not a big fan of him. Make another choice.
It's easy to get to that channel--MSNBC.com. They have several good hosts. Rachel is my fav. She grew up in my area. If you want to hear what I sound like, listen to her.
Get real news here: http://www.msnbc.com

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Post by alan » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:01 am

Hoelzle/Obama? I'd be happy to have Michelle on the ticket. She's smarter than me, and more organized.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:06 am

Greetings Alan,
alan wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:01 am
Hoelzle/Obama? I'd be happy to have Michelle on the ticket. She's smarter than me, and more organized.
Well, ultimately you get to choose your "running mate"!

I'll still buy the hat, regardless.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by alan » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:58 am

They say 'running mate" when you pick a VP. I know, seems silly. As for the hat, would you like all blue, or prefer a green/yellow combination?
Trump's hats are all one color. I think Liberals should get multi-colored hats.

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:59 am

Kim OHara wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:52 am
retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:42 am
...Since socialism and communism predictably turn countries into authoritarian, undemocratic, poverty stricken hell holes,
Metta,
Paul. :)
:jawdrop:
In response to your sweeping generalisation ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ration.png

:juggling:

Kim
Can you point a single one on that map that isn't a hell hole ? :anjali:

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:33 am

Circle5 wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:59 am
Kim OHara wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:52 am
retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:42 am
...Since socialism and communism predictably turn countries into authoritarian, undemocratic, poverty stricken hell holes,
Metta,
Paul. :)
:jawdrop:
In response to your sweeping generalisation ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ration.png

:juggling:

Kim
Can you point a single one on that map that isn't a hell hole ? :anjali:
Well I could, but that would be unfair to the others that aren't hell-holes.
I haven't been to Cuba, but a good friend of mine was there recently and said, yes, they are poor but it's a really nice place. I have been to Laos myself and loved it - people all seem happier than most people in Oz, who (in turn) seem to be happier than most people in the US. Ditto Vietnam - maybe a little better off than Laos but not quite so happy.
And then there's Europe - Portugal is fine, according to my son, and I have similar good reports from the western half of the old Eastern Europe bloc - Czech Republic, Slovenia, most of the former Yugoslavia.
How many of these countries have you visited?

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Post by retrofuturist » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:40 am

Greetings,

Laos really has no business being on that map...

Economy of Laos
The economy of the Lao People's Democratic Republic is rapidly growing, as a result of decentralized government control and encouragement of private enterprise in 1986. Currently, Laos ranks amongst the fastest growing economies in the world, averaging 8% a year in GDP growth. It is also forecasted that Laos will sustain at least 7% growth through 2019 as well.
Another win for market capitalism and deregulation. :thumbsup:

That map is looking more and more like commie propaganda. Sad!

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by chownah » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:22 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:40 am
Greetings,

Laos really has no business being on that map...

Economy of Laos
The economy of the Lao People's Democratic Republic is rapidly growing, as a result of decentralized government control and encouragement of private enterprise in 1986. Currently, Laos ranks amongst the fastest growing economies in the world, averaging 8% a year in GDP growth. It is also forecasted that Laos will sustain at least 7% growth through 2019 as well.
Another win for market capitalism and deregulation. :thumbsup:

That map is looking more and more like commie propaganda. Sad!

Metta,
Paul. :)
From your link:
In FY 1999, foreign grants and loans accounted for more than 20% of GDP and more than 75% of public investment.
I have not verified this but I think you will find that the way vast majority of the foreign grants and loans came from China and possibly from Vietnam......maybe china and vietnam shouldn't be on that map either.
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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:28 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:40 am
Greetings,

Laos really has no business being on that map...

Economy of Laos
The economy of the Lao People's Democratic Republic is rapidly growing, as a result of decentralized government control and encouragement of private enterprise in 1986. Currently, Laos ranks amongst the fastest growing economies in the world, averaging 8% a year in GDP growth. It is also forecasted that Laos will sustain at least 7% growth through 2019 as well.
Another win for market capitalism and deregulation. :thumbsup:

That map is looking more and more like commie propaganda. Sad!

Metta,
Paul. :)
:rolleye:
Careful, Paul! You're sounding more and more like Trump.

:toilet:
Kim

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Re: Trump. And why I hate him.

Post by Circle5 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:32 am

Kim OHara wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:33 am
Circle5 wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:59 am
Kim OHara wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:52 am

:jawdrop:
In response to your sweeping generalisation ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ration.png

:juggling:

Kim
Can you point a single one on that map that isn't a hell hole ? :anjali:
Well I could, but that would be unfair to the others that aren't hell-holes.
I haven't been to Cuba, but a good friend of mine was there recently and said, yes, they are poor but it's a really nice place. I have been to Laos myself and loved it - people all seem happier than most people in Oz, who (in turn) seem to be happier than most people in the US. Ditto Vietnam - maybe a little better off than Laos but not quite so happy.
And then there's Europe - Portugal is fine, according to my son, and I have similar good reports from the western half of the old Eastern Europe bloc - Czech Republic, Slovenia, most of the former Yugoslavia.
How many of these countries have you visited?

:coffee:
Kim
And did at least a single one of these countries that you listed had over 2000$ GDP per capita while under communism ? :anjali:

Let's put them all on the map and see where they stand compared to USA: (notice how low they were in 1992, all of them under the 2000 mark that socialist never manage to pass)

Also notice where Portugal was standing in 1985

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explo ... &ind=false


Now let's put the same grapth with USA included :anjali:

https://www.google.com/publicdata/explo ... &ind=false

Please notice how in 1990 - all of them were under the impenetrable wall of 2000$. Laos and Vietnam still are at that embarasing level due to continue with socialist policies long after eastern europe dropped it.

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