A Two State Solution for Europe?

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A Two State Solution for Europe?

Post by Kusala » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:49 am

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Re: A Two State Solution for Europe?

Post by chownah » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:27 am

I"m not going to support a yes or no viewpoint on this issue. I think this issue brings up a topic which I have broached in various places from time to time which is: What is the basis for determining who has the right to provide, maintain, and support a government which controls people and land?

It is people who pledge alegience who should discuss this the most.....it is the gov't's which have border disputes who should discuss this the most....it is gov't's with strict immigration laws which should discuss this the most. BUT.....these are the people who absolutely will not broach the issue. Why? Because when the issue is understood clearly ALL of these people are shown to be grasping at straws....whatever straws they think will support their claims to sovereignty.

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Re: A Two State Solution for Europe?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:25 am

My dear fellow Buddhists. Please, may we practice the Dhamma and not promote the views of war-mongers who directly lead to mass killing. In SN 55.7, the Buddha not only preached non-killing but also to speak in praise of non-killing. :|
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Re: A Two State Solution for Europe?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:52 am

Kusala wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:49 am
Thoughts? Comments?
Lol.

1. Muslims are a minority in France and the majority of them support French Law, according to the article:
A poll conducted this summer found that 29% of French Muslims found Sharia to be more important to them than French laws.
2. Learning a 2nd language at school is desirable.
It also found that 67% of Muslims want their children to study Arabic, and 56% think it should be taught in public schools.
3. A 2016 UK poll showed that 43% of British Muslims "believed that parts of the Islamic legal system should replace British law while only 22 per cent opposed the idea". Another poll from 2016 found that 23% of all Muslims supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain. I watched this British video about Jewish Divorce Law in the West today and found it very interesting:



4. Lol... many men dream their wives obey them. Have you ever seen how obedient women are in Western porn movies? Most men fantasize about obedient women.
39% agreed that "wives should always obey their husbands,"
5. 52% of all British Muslims believe that homosexuality should be illegal. Similarly, I image the majority of religious Christians & orthodox religious Jews believe homosexuality should be illegal. The death penalty for homosexuality is found in the Jewish Bible.
Jerusalem’s chief rabbi lashed out at Israel’s gay community in an interview released Friday, calling homosexuality an “abomination” and earning himself a police complaint for incitement.

Shlomo Amar, who previously served as the country’s Sephardi chief rabbi, told Israel Hayom newspaper that homosexuality is an “abomination,” and that Jewish law advocates the death penalty for those who choose to engage in same sex relationships.

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Re: A Two State Solution for Europe?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:01 pm

Kusala wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:49 am
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What I find ironic about the article is it appears written by a Jew & published by an organisation that appears founded by a Jew.
Judith Bergman is a writer and a political analyst. She holds degrees in International Relations (The London School of Economics and Political Science) and law. She lives in Israel.
Why I find the article ironic is because:

1. Jews used to live in enclaves in Europe, which was a state of affairs created primarily by their Rabbis, & continue to live in a contemporary enclave called "Israel". For example, many Jews continue to live in enclaves in the West.

2. The "problem" & fear the apparently Jewish written article appears to be promoting is a Nazi-like fear & sentiment.

:rolleye:

3. The same website promotes the following non-sense:
Perhaps many elites feel guilty after French State actively collaborated with Nazis, especially against Jews, during World War II, so that now they are trying, instead, to help Muslims -- whose culture and goals could hardly be farther from that of the Jews :roll: . Nevertheless, many seem to think of Muslims as "the Jews" of 21st century.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1142 ... e-islamism
The Islamic situation or demographic in Europe, which will increase over the coming decades, was created by Western governments. While the Nazis non-violently encouraged Jewish emigration from Germany in the 1930s (until the unexpectedly losing of the war with the Communist Soviets resulted in the "Holocaust"), the only solution I discern these articles & this thread promoting is a Nazi-like-Holocaust-style Final Solution. :shock: :twisted:

I think this type of thread/topic shows how far some people are straying from Buddha-Dhamma. While Buddha-Dhamma has well-wishing towards all beings, the primary purpose of Buddhism is liberation via non-clinging from a defiled deluded world.

I think Buddhists hope for non-violence & peace rather than promote Nazi-like ideas against Muslims. Europe is heir to its kamma in relation to Islam because European governments, driven by economic greed (rather than by Holocaust guilt) intentionally encouraged Islamic immigration. Anicca.

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Re: A Two State Solution for Europe?

Post by Dinsdale » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:14 am

I looked at the thread title and thought it was about BREXIT. :toilet:
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Re: A Two State Solution for Europe?

Post by chownah » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:31 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:14 am
I looked at the thread title and thought it was about BREXIT. :toilet:
Me too! I was going to post that I liked the 28 state solution they had before the EU!
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Re: A Two State Solution for Europe?

Post by Sam Vara » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:05 pm

Spiny Norman wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:14 am
I looked at the thread title and thought it was about BREXIT. :toilet:
Me too! The UK being one state, and the United States of Europe being the other!

As for an Islamic state within the UK's borders, no, it's nice to be asked, but the answer is no.

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