I think that's true, Mike, but it isn't what I meant.mikenz66 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:24 pmHi Kim,Would you care to expand on that? Do you mean that in societies like Australia/NZ, etc, there is no shared religious experience across the society?Kim OHara wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:02 pm...
I like the article you started the thread with, more than the one Paul contributed. The latter makes some interesting suggestions, particularly towards the end, but they don't seem to me to be applicable only to Indonesia, or to Islamic societies. E.g.That's a change which is still working its way through Australian society, for better and for worse.According to Donald, theoretic cognition led to the post-axial, secular age of the modern world. In the post-axial age of theoretic cognition, the primary dichotomy is no longer between sacred and profane (pre-axial), transcendent and mundane (axial), but rather between the religious and the secular (post-axial) (cf, Bellah and Joas, eds, 2012). At least in the West, science, verifiable knowledge, public discourse, the marketplace and government all take place in the sphere of the secular, whereas religious beliefs and ethical practices are in the sphere of individual, private beliefs and practices.
What I was getting at is that "science, verifiable knowledge, public discourse, the marketplace and government" don't yet "all take place in the sphere of the secular." We still have political leaders publicly justifying (I think that word should be in scare quotes) their positions by appeal to religious truths (that one, too). People like Cory Bernardi and Tony Abbott come to mind in Australia, Ryan and Cruz in the US ... I don't know who you may be afflicted by in NZ.
I think (and hope) we are all moving towards a public discourse based firmly in the 'verifiable knowledge' and 'the sphere of the secular' but we're not there yet. (I have good company in my hoping, btw - HHDL's Beyond Religion https://books.google.com.au/books/about ... edir_esc=y argues for it.)
When we get there, 'religious beliefs and ethical practices' will be 'in the sphere of individual, private beliefs and practices,' and I think that in an age of free communication and migration between cultures they have got to be.
What we're losing, sadly, as this happens is a shared moral framework. I think we need one, and it has got to be better than the default consumerist 'philosophy' we seem to be working from at the moment.