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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:22 am

Circle5 wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:42 pm
"citta of heart"
Amazing video for those who have found citta or heart; able to discern good from evil. Just press the play button: :heart:






Dhp 36. Let the discerning man guard the mind, so difficult to detect and extremely subtle, seizing whatever it desires. A guarded mind brings happiness.
The evil part is below:



US Key Man in Syria Worked Closely with ISIL and Jabhat al Nusra :|


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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:58 am

What a shit hole of hell. The demonization of Islam since 9/11 has largely contributed to this; including the general apathy of Western people. The same terrorists who allegedly did 9/11 started this hell; where Muslims are punished but the terrorists are armed & supported by the Western powers & media. The War On Terror has been a War of Terror. Is this revenge for 3000 Americans murdered on 9/11 or another agenda? :|









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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by dylanj » Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:58 am

i haven't read this post but i will chime in to say i think islam is awful
susukhaṃ vata nibbānaṃ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṃ;
asokaṃ virajaṃ khemaṃ,
yattha dukkhaṃ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ panītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all fabrications, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:13 am

dylanj wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:58 am
i haven't read this post but i will chime in to say i think islam is awful
Which "Islam" is awful? The Hollywood "Islam" in this video? :roll:


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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:22 am

More hell & suffering created by US ally and NATO member Turkey. :|



More happiness & relief for people freed from the US backed "rebels"



Very good video: Missing Link to Dr. Tim Anderson - "The Dirty War On Syria"



From 25:10: "what is going here; the Western left-wing is pro-interventionist..."

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:34 am

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:22 am
More hell & suffering created by US ally and NATO member Turkey. :|
So now you are pro USA backed militias that want to split the sovreign nation of Syria into different parts with no regard to international law ? How in the world did you end up in the pro-USA camp all of a sudden ?

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:01 am

Jezus.... I now see what made you have an upside-down opinion on this than what Russian propaganda wanted you to have. It's the very twitter source that you quoted:
#Arab and #Kurdish speaking civilians flee #Afrin as #Turkey and Rebels move in. I suspect the women at 00:54s was speaking Kurdish, and the old man's volume was low, so I could not translate these. The #YPG followed US orders, refused to allow the Syrian army to defend the city.
Utter nonsense lol. This is what happens when one gets his information from "Russia Today, Press TV, Sana and shitty twitter sources". Why don't you watch the war on the syriancivilwar sub-reddit ? 99% of people there are pro-Assad, I am sure you can fit it. Of course every single one of them would laugh their brain out at such twitter quotes.

To clear things up to you and bring you back from alternative reality: Russia and Turkey have been playing good-cop/bad-cop on kurds in Afrin. Kurds had to chose between surrendering to Assad or having Turkey invade them. They chose the second, thinking they can resist. Russia withdrew their troops from Afrin to make room for Turkey. Kurds got mad at Russia for abandoning them despite Russia previsiously telling them they will protect them against Turkey. Assad tried posing like being against the invasion and not agreeing with Russia and sent some simbolic number of millitias (not even SAA) to Afrain that fought side by side with the kurds there, to save some image in from of the kurds. Kurd from Afrin were not even allied with USA, they were allied with Russia and had russian troops guarding their territory for years.

This is very different from what your ultra-reliable "PartisanGirl" twitter source told you. Such tweets are not even meant to be taken seriously, they are meant to be consumed by totally uninformed people who heard about the Syrian war yesterday for the first time. For a person posting so much about this subject, I say you should inform yourself a little better, at least for your own curiosity.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:22 am

Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:01 am
To clear things up to you and bring you back from alternative reality: Russia and Turkey have been playing good-cop/bad-cop on kurds in Afrin. Kurds had to chose between surrendering to Assad or having Turkey invade them. They chose the second, thinking they can resist. Russia withdrew their troops from Afrin to make room for Turkey. Kurds got mad at Russia for abandoning them despite Russia previsiously telling them they will protect them against Turkey. Assad tried posing like being against the invasion and not agreeing with Russia and sent some simbolic number of millitias (not even SAA) to Afrain that fought side by side with the kurds there, to save some image in from of the kurds. Kurd from Afrin were not even allied with USA, they were allied with Russia and had russian troops guarding their territory for years.
Its irrelevant. Please, grown up & give up this non-Buddhist childish cartoon cold war mentality. I know some of the people in the video are Kurds because that is what the video says. My post is to highlight the suffering caused by interventionists, whoever they are. Turkey started this intervention in 2011 by allowing terrorist mercenaries & weapons into Syria. :|


Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:01 am
Why don't you watch the war on the syriancivilwar sub-reddit ? 99% of people there are pro-Assad, I am sure you can fit it.
My posts here are to draw the attention of Buddhists to suffering caused by their democratic nations. I have no interest in the worldliness of sub-reddit. Unlike you, I am an 'existential Buddhist' concerned with overcoming suffering. I understand it is ignorance that continues your posts of cruelty but try to discern between Buddhism & childish dualistic politics. :|

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by alfa » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:42 am

DooDoot wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:13 am
dylanj wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:58 am
i haven't read this post but i will chime in to say i think islam is awful
Which "Islam" is awful? The Hollywood "Islam" in this video? :roll:

Political Islam is an awful thing, but you're right that it's being used by major powers in the world. So both sides are to blame.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:30 am

alfa wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:42 am
Political Islam is an awful thing, but you're right that it's being used by major powers in the world. So both sides are to blame.
Below is a photo from the Australian govt news:



Below is what they did to that statue:



Many Kurds were given refuge in Syria decades ago. Ungratefulness, greed &, importantly, evil leaders paid by international regime-changers, result in this hell on earth for the common people. :|

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:59 am

Assad sponsored and provided a safe-heaven for PKK terrorist for decades. PKK terrorist that commit bombings of inocent civilians in Turkey. Turkey was unfair on the kurds decades ago and realized the strategy is not working. In recent decades, they have tried developing the kurdish region realizing this is the only thing that can stop the terrorism. PKK leaders there have been doing their best ever since to stop the building of infrastructure in the region, knowing that if the region develops, that will be the end of their terrorist organization. They want people to have no other option to get a wage other than working for their terrorist organization. Assad helping the PKK was close to starting a war between Syria and Turkey in the 90s.

For the past couple of years, the USA backed kurds have enjoyed non-stop propaganda in the western media. They've had a much better propaganda campaign in the west than rebels have had. And now you are posting pictures from western propaganda of some kurds on some statue, showing me how that statue god destroyed, like kurds never destroyed any statue in this war. Maybe you didn't know but when there is a war, statues sometimes get destroyed. Should I start posting here statues destroyed by PKK terrorist along the years ?

There is not a single bit of logic or consistency in your thinking. It's just "bash the USA" using whatever stupid arguments one can think of. But the "here is a NATO country invading the kurds" - when they are doing it thanks to Russia decision to allow it, and while those kurds have USA as their only ally - I mean this is just the mother of 0% logic arguments that I've seen posted by you so far. Countries that are at odds with kurds there are Russia, Turkey and Assad - only country backing them is the USA.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:41 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:59 am
A Countries that are at odds with kurds there are Russia, Turkey and Assad - only country backing them is the USA.
Continuing cold war identity politics; as though it is just a game; without human cost? :|
Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:59 am
Assad sponsored and provided a safe-heaven for PKK terrorist for decades. PKK terrorist that commit bombings of inocent civilians in Turkey.
Sure, both persecuted & helped? :roll: Like Syria cannot even guard its borders today; let alone control the cross-border stream of people. The USA can't keep out Mexican so how are the Syrian to keep out the different people? :roll:
Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:59 am
And now you are posting pictures from western propaganda of some kurds on some statue, showing me how that statue god destroyed, like kurds never destroyed any statue in this war.
The statue is of a Kurish hero. The men who destroyed the statue are "Syrian rebels" with the Turks or whoever. The statue destruction is an example of the destruction of culture. If these invaders were really liberators, why would they destroy things? The Syrian govt never destroyed or prohibited that statue.
Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:59 am
Maybe you didn't know but when there is a war, statues sometimes get destroyed. Should I start posting here statues destroyed by PKK terrorist along the years ?
There is no real war but just a international campaign to destroy a nation. So you are thinking now like ISIS, which threatened to destroy Palmyra? Its OK to destroy historical monuments, like the US created Taliban destroyed the Afghan Buddhas? Its just war. Its just an internet computer game?

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Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:59 am
There is not a single bit of logic or consistency in your thinking. It's just "bash the USA" using whatever stupid arguments one can think of. But the "here is a NATO country invading the kurds" - when they are doing it thanks to Russia decision to allow it, and while those kurds have USA as their only ally - I mean this is just the mother of 0% logic arguments that I've seen posted by you so far. Countries that are at odds with kurds there are Russia, Turkey and Assad - only country backing them is the USA.
More irrelevant cold war non-sense. The intervention was sponsored by the USA in 2011; a direction extension of the Bengazi scandal in Libya, which included weapons sent from Libya via Turkey to Syria. It is a US created crisis. If Russia made a recent decision, so what? So what is Buddhism to you? One of your internet amusements? Do you ever mention the human cost? :|

Believe in reincarnation dependent origination but don't believe in results of kamma? :roll:
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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:15 pm

1) You don't seem to be knowing who is fighting who in Syria, giving by recent opinions about turkey and kurds

2) I've never seen you write a single line complaining about the Ukrainian war, Georgian war or Rep. Moldova war. On the contrary, you said there is not the sightest of problems with them. Urainian war happened at the same time as Syria war. You are the first to rationalize war, colonialism and impovrishment on this forum. This is why bleedinghearth arguments and playing the high-ground are ridiculous if they are coming from you. It's just the regular anti-USA, russian propaganda of RT, Press TV and SANA that I see being pumped out.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:30 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:15 pm
1) You don't seem to be knowing who is fighting who in Syria, giving by recent opinions about turkey and kurds
You don't seem to be knowing the consequences of kamma. You don't seem to be knowing dependent origination is the same as kamma; that dependent origination leads to hell.
These beings — who were endowed with bad conduct of body, speech & mind, who reviled noble ones, held wrong views and undertook actions under the influence of wrong views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, in hell :shock: . But these beings — who were endowed with good conduct of body, speech, & mind, who did not revile noble ones, who held right views and undertook actions under the influence of right views — with the break-up of the body, after death, have re-appeared in the good destinations, in the heavenly world.'
You don't seem to be knowing the destination of this women in the video & possibly those who supported her.
137. He who inflicts violence on those who are unarmed, and offends those who are inoffensive, will soon come upon one of these ten states:

138-140 Sharp pain, or disaster, bodily injury, serious illness, or derangement of mind, trouble from the government, or grave charges, loss of relatives, or loss of wealth, or houses destroyed by ravaging fire; upon dissolution of the body that ignorant man is born in hell :o .

The Blessed One said: "There is the case, student, where a woman or man is a killer of living beings, brutal, bloody-handed, given to killing & slaying, showing no mercy to living beings. Through having adopted & carried out such actions, on the break-up of the body, after death, he/she reappears in the plane of deprivation, the bad destination, the lower realms, hell. .. :(
You don't seem to be knowing the destination of this man, who did his duty according to DN 27:
‘But sire, what are the noble duties of a wheel-turning monarch?’ ‘Well then, my dear, relying only on principle—honoring, respecting, and venerating principle, having principle as your flag, banner, and authority—provide just protection and security for your court, troops, aristocrats, vassals, brahmins and householders, people of town and country, ascetics and brahmins, beasts and birds.



Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:15 pm
2) I've never seen you write a single line complaining about the Ukrainian war, Georgian war or Rep. Moldova war.
Wrong. I have posted this video many times about US intervention in Ukraine:


Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:15 pm
On the contrary, you said there is not the sightest of problems with them.
No.
Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:15 pm
Urainian war happened at the same time as Syria war. You are the first to rationalize war, colonialism and impovrishment on this forum. This is why bleedinghearth arguments and playing the high-ground are ridiculous if they are coming from you. It's just the regular anti-USA, russian propaganda of RT, Press TV and SANA that I see being pumped out.
War is bad because it creates suffering & hell. Ukraine situation is not the same as Syria. In Syria, the vast majority of the people support the existing government. In Ukraine, there are not various international armies attacking the sovereign government. If Syria was a genuine civil war, I would not take much of a position on it. Syria is an international imperialist intervention created by Obama & Hillary. It can be stopped if the US govt decides to stop it. Syria, Libya, etc, are part of the 9/11 narrative. They occur with little protest or concern from Westerners because of the demonization of Islam. :|

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by oncereturner » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:18 am

Just joining this thread, I respect their culture.

"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by oncereturner » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:32 am

They attacked our country 500 years ago, our best warriors died. We stood no chance against Suleiman the Magnificent. It's called the Mohács disaster.

However time has changed since then.
"And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech."

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by alfa » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:25 am

I don't know much about Syria or why people are fighting there or anywhere else.

But as Buddhists, I think we should just assume that everyone is ignorant and that's why they are fighting. So the best thing is to ignore the world and focus on our own practice. Else, we will go insane.

Just what I feel.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:55 am

alfa wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:25 am
I don't know much about Syria or why people are fighting there or anywhere else.
They are fighting defending their lives against foreign invasion. If you wish to learn, here:




alfa wrote:
Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:25 am
But as Buddhists, I think we should just assume that everyone is ignorant and that's why they are fighting. So the best thing is to ignore the world and focus on our own practice. Else, we will go insane.
If you personally have not developed Buddhist practise then you certainly should.

Best wishes & thank you :heart:

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:06 am

Greetings,

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Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by alan » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:35 am

God Dam disgrace. George Washington is crying.

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