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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Mr Man » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:25 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:10 am
retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:59 am
Saudi Arabia, who are on the up...
Hmm. They still like to behead people, and generally their human rights record is dire.
And still bombing Yemen.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:33 am

Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:25 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:10 am
retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:59 am
Saudi Arabia, who are on the up...
Hmm. They still like to behead people, and generally their human rights record is dire.
And still bombing Yemen.
They're as bad as each other.
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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Dinsdale » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:37 am

Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:25 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:10 am
retrofuturist wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:59 am
Saudi Arabia, who are on the up...
Hmm. They still like to behead people, and generally their human rights record is dire.
And still bombing Yemen.
Using a lot of UK ordnance, I gather.
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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Mr Man » Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:44 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:37 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:25 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:10 am


Hmm. They still like to behead people, and generally their human rights record is dire.
And still bombing Yemen.
Using a lot of UK ordnance, I gather.
Yes :(

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:15 am

Real news.

Syrian soldiers, who are multi-faith Christian & Muslim but mostly Sunni Muslim, put US-Saudi-Wahhabi-Al Qaeda terrorists on a bus for transport to a terrorist town (where hopefully these terrorists can be exported back through NATO Turkey, where they originated from). Can you imagine if the situation was vice versa and these cannibals were the ones tightening the siege on the Syrian army? The Muslim residents of East Ghouta celebrate their freedom while the Western politicians & mass-media work feverishly to maintain the terrorist presence in East Ghouta.



In this video, a German political delegation to Syria praised the (secular yet Islamic) Syrian govt & criticises the German mass-media.



Story Of Syrian Girl From Damascus - Lost Her Leg In Mortar Attack By (American supported) Ghouta Islamists


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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Dinsdale » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:24 am

Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:44 am
Dinsdale wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:37 am
Mr Man wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:25 am


And still bombing Yemen.
Using a lot of UK ordnance, I gather.
Yes :(
I gather we are selling them some Typhoon jets.

Guilty pleasure: I like watching fast jets at airshows, Typhoons are very impressive. :popcorn:
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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:45 pm

I don't know why people sometimes criticize Saudi Arabia decision not to allow woman to drive. That's probably the only good thing they ever did. It was probably done because of the same reason that non-muslims sometimes contemplate banning woman driving. And the whole idea about this being due to religious reasons is probably their way of being PC about it. I can't believe people actually fall for the "religious reasons" argument lol.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by aflatun » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:13 pm

Circle5 wrote:
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I don't know why people sometimes criticize Saudi Arabia decision not to allow woman to drive. That's probably the only good thing they ever did. It was probably done because of the same reason that non-muslims sometimes contemplate banning woman driving. And the whole idea about this being due to religious reasons is probably their way of being PC about it. I can't believe people actually fall for the "religious reasons" argument lol.
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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Sam Vara » Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:33 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:45 pm
I don't know why people sometimes criticize Saudi Arabia decision not to allow woman to drive. That's probably the only good thing they ever did. It was probably done because of the same reason that non-muslims sometimes contemplate banning woman driving. And the whole idea about this being due to religious reasons is probably their way of being PC about it. I can't believe people actually fall for the "religious reasons" argument lol.
...And so soon after International Women's Day!

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:48 am

Good Muslims set free from American-backed tyranny. :|


Military Spending in the United States. In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of $598.5 billion.


Emergence of more Muslim demonstrations in support of Syrian army, demanding US-Jihadi rebels to get out #EastGhouta. Huge embarrassment to Western media who lied all along that the people of East Ghouta despised legitimate government.


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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:41 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:48 am
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So now you switched back from defending islamic terrorism and Sharia Law? How about the "great islamic values" promoted by these radicals in eastern ghouta ? At least they were following Sharia Law that you love to much. Do you really want these great values to be replaced by the secular and western-influenced Assad regime, that does not respect Sharia Law ? You want these people form eastern ghouta to be able to travel freely to Damascus and play at casinos ? You want woman from eastern ghouta to be allowed at a football match ? Hell, they do not even wear scarfs in Assad controlled area. Are you sure you agree with this destruction of "great islamic values of Sharia law" for people in Eastern Ghouta ? You really want them "westernized" ?

I mean you were totally in love with Sharia Law not long ago and claimed it's the best thing ever while western, secular type of values are the work of the devil. You said it is good to have religious dictatorship in Iran because it is promoting Sharia Law that is so great. Now you want people from eastern ghouta to get conquered by a secular regime and stop respecting Sharia Law ?

When did this shift in thinking happen to you ?

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:02 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:09 am
6. If we believe the religion of Islam did 9/11 & nurtures terrorists, we justify the murdering of millions of good Muslim people & non-Muslim people who live in Muslim nations that were unrelated to 9/11.

7. GW Bush said: "you are either with us or with terrorists" but it has become quite evident the US govt & the terrorists had/have the same goals in Iraq, Libya, Syria & maybe Iran. It has become quite evident the "US govt is with the terrorists" and "the terrorists are with the US govt".

8. This is why the corporate mass media continues to support Al Qaeda terrorists in East Gouta, in the exact same way they supported Al Qaeda terrorists in Allepo.

9. $6 trillion spent since 2001 from the US taxpayer comprising of 1/3 of the US govt debt on a War on Terror; yet the terror grows.
How about what Putin did to "The religion of Islam" ?????? How about the russian 9/11

After Boris Eltin chose Putin to be his successor and made him prime-minister, he was standing at 12% in the polls. He staged the bombing of many 11-15 story high buildings in order to declare war on Chechnia. Second day after the bombing, KGB officers were caught in the basement of such a building next to a big ammount of explosive that did not go up. This got in the press and was a big scandal because the press was still free at the time in Russia. The KGB response was that they were doing an exercise, training to prevent such an attack if it were to happen. You really can't get more obvious than that when it comes to staging terrorist attacks.

After that, Putin declared war on Checnia, imposed military law and suspended the ellections. Sure enought by the time the war ended, he was in control of the media and his popularity has skyrocketed due to the war.

So what is DootDot opinion about the poor muslims living in Checnia that had these staged bombings blamed on them, and then got their capital turned into dust ? Chechnia was bombed with 40.000 artilery shells per day. It was literally turned into dust and many poor muslims died.

What is DootDot opinion about that ? I've never heard him say anything about the poor muslims from Chechnia turned into dust by Putin.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:46 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:41 pm
So now you switched back from defending islamic terrorism and Sharia Law? How about the "great islamic values" promoted by these radicals in eastern ghouta ?
Excellent update here about how the good Christian & Muslims of Syria are expelling as humanely as possible the US-backed Jihadists of East Ghouta. Please remember Al Qaeda was created by the USA & fought for US objectives in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Libya, Iraq & Syria and also Nigeria (Boko Haram).


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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:32 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:46 pm
Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:41 pm
So now you switched back from defending islamic terrorism and Sharia Law? How about the "great islamic values" promoted by these radicals in eastern ghouta ?
Excellent update here about how the good Christian & Muslims of Syria are expelling as humanely as possible the US-backed Jihadists of East Ghouta. Please remember Al Qaeda was created by the USA & fought for US objectives in Afghanistan, Kosovo, Libya, Iraq & Syria and also Nigeria (Boko Haram).
I am totally for liberating East Ghouta from formely US backed (untill last months of Obama) jihadist. And as you know I am a big map geek and watching closely that map on www.syriancivilwarmap.com

But as for US creating Al-Qaeda, it was of course a great thing to do and I would have done the same. Islamic Jihadist are babies compared to the terrorist backed by URSS at that time, terrorist that assasinated 30% of the population in some places, terrorist that kill infinitelly more people than islamic ones in whatever country they were operating. And they were operating in quite a few, pretty much all across south america, africa, south-east asia and even in europe. There were countless terrorist bomb attacks happening in europe at the time, to say nothing of millions killed in other countries, up to 30% of the population in some.

Name me when did USA backed, Al-Qaeda terrorist ever came close to killing 1% of what URSS backed terrorist were killing ?

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:23 am

Circle5 wrote:
Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:32 pm
I am totally for liberating East Ghouta from formely US backed (untill last months of Obama) jihadist.
So your Al Qaeda friends pictured below are unarmed & unsupported orphans :roll: ? Its difficult to believe Bashar El "Chemical Weapons Killing His Own People" Assad would put these cannibals in a bus & ship them back to NATO Turkey via Idlib (rather than execute them; similar to the Tsar in 1905, who let Trotsky, Lenin & other psychopaths go free). Six-hundred US-Alliance cannibals have surrendered so far yet there are obviously many more (if the video below is the real deal).

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:16 am

No, you got me wrong. I am totally for those guys getting "green-bus-ed" out of there and am disgusted with western media portrail of this particular war. But like 95% of people watching SCW reddit, I am keeping sides with Assad on this one but with USA on pretty much every other war that ever went on. And this includes the creation of Al-Qaeda and Afganistan war, since URSS backing of terrorism at the time was about 1000 times bigger and more deadly than islamic terrorism ever was and ever will be. And 1000 times is actually a small number here, it's probably a much bigger difference in terms of deaths caused by islamic terrorism vs deaths caused by communist terrorism.

In the same period when USA first used islamic terrorism against URSS illegal invasion of Afganistan, the URSS backed terrorist in vietnam killed executed millions after they won the war and caused more deaths than the whole 7 year war deaths combined. Also, 30% of the population of buddhist country of cambodgia got executed by URSS backed terrorist, many of them for ridiculous reasons such as wearing glasses or being old and therefore not useful. Islamic terrorism sometimes executes for ridiculous reasons, but nobody can top getting executed cause of wearing glasses and things like what the URSS backed terrorist in Cambodgia did. And how much of the population in ISIS or Al-Qaeda controlled area was executed by them ? 0,5% ? A long way to go till they ever reach the 30% acomplisments of URSS backed terrorist.URSS itself was executing a much bigger percent of their population than ISIS.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:57 am

American-Wahhabism is spreading (however, it is not "Islam"). Nikki Haley appears to be the latest covert.


Circle5 wrote:
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URSS backed ...
Sounds like a mini-me of Ceaucescu. This thread is about the false portrayal of Islam as a religion of indiscriminate terrorism. Even though history might show Europeans are butchers par-excellence; this thread is not about the USSR, the American native genocide, WW1, Communist Gulags, German killing of millions of Soviet POWs, the Holocaust, Soviet rapes of German women, British & US firebombing of German civilian cities, European Zionist massacres of Palestinians, suspicious 9/11. This thread is about the reality of Islam, the most tolerant of the three Abrahamic religions; under which many Christian & Jewish communities lived & flourished under for centuries. The Muslims of Iraq, Libya, Syria & Iran did not do 9/11; are not related to any 'War on Terror'; and the Americans continue to use same terrorists in proxy wars who they claim did 9/11. The Buddha said:
Dhp 318. Those who imagine evil where there is none, and do not see evil where it is — upholding false views, they go to states of woe.
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the URSS backed terrorist in Cambodgia did.
The USA was a major supporter of the Khmer Rouge. Who Supported the Khmer Rouge? In 1917, when the Russian revolution occurred, leading Western businessmen (capitalists) caught the first boats to Russia, looking to make alliances with the winning side so they could secure the business deals. They supported the Bolsheviks however their hopes generally did not eventuate (although Averell Harriman secured a manganese mine). Basically, by 1925, all of the Tsarist gold was sold to the West, probably in exchange for weapons. In WW2, the Western Capitalists supported the USSR Communists against Nazi Germany (an ally of Romania). The Western Capitalists gave Eastern Europe (including Romania) to the USSR and the atom bomb builders, such as Oppenheimer, supplied nuclear technology to the USSR. I can only suggest to stop exalting the West & disparaging the USSR but view the cause & effect in terms of dependent origination.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:09 pm

Even though history might show Europeans are butchers par-excellence;
History shows the whole world as butchers par exceclence, and the europeans as the first civilized area of the world who managed to stop slavery, stop wars, invent democracy and improve living conditions for the whole world through the french revolution and industrial revolution. Without the europeans, we would still be living in the middle ages.

Judging by your own logic we can conclude:

- asians are buchers par excelence due to what the mongols did. While 90% of the population in europe was working in agriculture, they were a warior nomadic population that raped, killed and pillaged the losers that were working in agriculture.
- africans have always loved slavery and continue to love it, being one of the few places where is is still a widespread practice. It continue to be the most war torn place on earth. They have always been focused on destroying rather than buildings and they have never managed to buid even a city before the europeans came.
- north and south americans were also butchers par excelence and in love with human sacrifice. Primitive tribal people for which war with the neighbouring tribes and human sacrifice was the biggest goal one can have in his life.
- australian people were stupid par excelence. They still haven't invented the wheel and some did not even knew how to use fire before europeans came.
- europeans were part of this way of thinking like everybody else, but they managed to stop it and built the modern world that we have today

But such distinctions are useless. One could very well say "history shows that northern hemisphere people are like that" or "souther hemisphere people ..." or "eurasian people" etc. Such distinctions are pointless.
The USA was a major supporter of the Khmer Rouge. In 1917,
I was speaking about 1970 - 1980, not about 1917. As far as I know, in 1917 nobody killed 30% of the population in that area. How much more ridiculous can one get in trying to defend URSS backed terrorist ? Even blaming what the south-east asian terrorist did on USA, when USA was at war with them for 7 years ? How much more can one spin his mind in order to defend URSS and blame it all on USA ? Well, quite a lot, if one is strongly indoctrinated intro russian propaganda by Russia Today.

And you still haven't adresed this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_a ... t_bombings
What is your opinion on what Putin did to those poor muslims over there and the staging of those bombings ? I mean the topic is supposedly about this. Or do those muslims not matter for DootDot because he is only interested in bashing the USA and could not care less about muslims ?

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:43 pm

Circle5 wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:09 pm
And you still haven't adresed this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_a ... t_bombings
This appears irrelevant & merely a Russian domestic matter. This Russian apartment bombings was not used for a series of unrelated international wars against unrelated Muslim nations. Most importantly, unlike 9/11 & unlike Al Qaeda operating in Libya, Iraq & Syria, the alleged doers of the Russian apartment bombings are not working for & being supplied weapons & logistics by the Russian govt. This Russian apartment bombings was not used for an international demonization of Islam; including on Buddhist chat sites. Also, the Russian apartment bombings is not related to Western Buddhists, including a Western Monastic Sect, promoting international war makers & killers (Obama, Clinton) against Muslim nations. This Western Monastic Sect even displayed a black arm band for grieving on their Sacred Dhamma Scripture website when this female killer lost the presidential election.



In contrast, below is an elegant Muslim lady (in high heels ;) ) discussing material development (bhavana) versus intellectual (wisdom) development (bhavana). This elegant Muslim lady even used the Zen koan of "one hand clapping". What I hope we can avoid is supporting head-choppers vs ordinary good people. Don't you understand this is a type of bad kamma that can lead to a very bad rebirth; when in negligence & ignorance, we support war makers & lawlessness against civil society? If we are negligent today, this negligence might affect us in a future rebirth, when those same international war makers treat us domestic citizens in the same manner (as possibly occurred in the Russian apartment bombings & on 9/11).


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Or do those muslims not matter for DootDot because he is only interested in bashing the USA and could not care less about muslims ?
I certainly care about Muslims. The USA is murdering Muslims all around the world. The USA has spent $6 trillion on a War on Terror but the very terrorism this war was supposedly against is still growing & is working for US-NATO-Israeli-Saudi foreign policy agendas. As a Buddhist, if the Russian govt did something evil, I would not support it. I suggest to evolve beyond Romanian-Communist institutionalization and develop impartiality. :heart:

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Circle5 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:43 pm

Most importantly, unlike 9/11 & unlike Al Qaeda operating in Libya, Iraq & Syria, the alleged doers of the Russian apartment bombings are not working for & being supplied weapons & logistics by the Russian go
Is this some form of a joke ? I think even my pet jackdaw figured out the KGB did it. It doesn't take too much inteligence to figure out who was behind it when the second day after the bombings, KGB officers were caught in a basement of such a tall building with a huge ammount of explosive. The KGB explanation was that they were doing an exercise to train against such an attack. I am curios if even a single person except DootDot could swallow that explanation. Also, numerous jurnalist that have tried doing an independent investigation have ended up assasinated.

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