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Criticism of Islam

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Dharmasherab » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:57 pm

A Letter to Mankind by Ex-Muslim author, Ali Sina.

A Letter to Mankind
Dear fellow human,

Today humanity is being challenged. Unthinkable atrocities take place on daily basis. There is an evil force at work that aims to destroy us. The agents of this evil respect nothing; not even the lives of children. Every day there are bombings, every day innocent people are targeted and murdered. It seems as if we are helpless. But we are not!

The ancient Chinese sage Sun Zi said, "Know your enemy and you won't be defeated". Do we know our enemy? If we don't, then we are doomed.

Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam.

The entire world, both Muslims and non-Muslims claim that the terrorists have hijacked "the religion of peace" and Islam does not condone violence.

Who is right? Do the terrorists understand Islam better, or do those who decry them? The answer to this question is the key to our victory, and failure to find that key will result in our loss and death will be upon us. The key is in the Quran and the history of Islam.

Those of us, who know Islam, know that the understanding of the terrorists of Islam is correct. They are doing nothing that their prophet did not do and did not encourage his followers to do. Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead "to delight the hearts of the believers" were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history.

If truth has ever mattered, it matters most now! This is the time that we have to call a spade a spade. This is the time that we have to find the root of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is Islam. The proof of that is the Quran.

We are a group of ex-Muslims who have seen the face of the evil and have risen to warn the world. No matter how painful the truth may be, only truth can set us free. Why this much denial? Why so much obstinacy? How many more innocent lives should be lost before YOU open your eyes?

We urge the Muslims to leave Islam. Stop with excuses, justifications and rationalizations. Stop dividing mankind into "us" vs. "them" and Muslims vs. Kafirs. We are One people, One mankind! Muhammad was not a messenger of God. It is time that we end this insanity and face the truth. The terrorists take their moral support and the validation for their actions from you. Your very adherence to their cult of death is a nod of approval for their crimes against humanity.

We also urge the non-Muslims to stop being politically correct lest they hurt the sensitivities of the Muslims. To hell with their sensitivities! Let us save their lives, and the lives of millions of innocent people that could become their victims.

Millions, if not billions of lives will be lost if we do nothing. Time is running out! "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing." Do something! Send this message to everyone in your address book and ask them to do the same. Defeat Islam and stop terrorism. This is your world, save it.

The ex-Muslim Movement

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina40908.htm

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Dharmasherab » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:31 pm

Its a shame that anyone who brings up any rational criticism of Islamic teachings gets silenced by getting names called upon such as 'neo-conservative' assuming that the only reason why people criticise Islam is all because of global politics when there are plenty of other reasons.
I wander what such people have to say about Ex-Muslims (people who used to be Muslim who left Islam). I wander what such people have to say about Ex-Muslims who help other Muslims leave Islam. Most of them have got nothing to say.

Here is a statement made by Ali Sina who is an Iranian Ex-Muslim and leader of Faith Freedom International which is a support group for Ex-Muslims as well as a group which helps Muslims to leave Islam.
About Faith Freedom.org

“Islam is a religion of peace”. This is what our politically correct politicians keep telling us. But what is politically correct is not necessarily correct. The truth is that Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of hate, of terror and of war. A thorough study of the Quran and Hadith reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of the people of the world including Muslims themselves. Islam, as it is taught in the Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet) is a religion of injustice, intolerance, cruelty, absurdities, discrimination, contradictions, and blind faith. Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims and abuses the human rights of minorities and women. Islam expanded mostly by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers. In Islam apostasy is the biggest crime punishable by death. Muhammad was a terrorist himself therefore terrorism cannot be separated from the true Islam. Islam means submission and it demands from its followers to submit their wills and thoughts to Muhammad and his imaginary Allah. Allah is a deity that despises reason, democracy, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

I reject Islam
a) because of Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude
b) because of the absurdities in the Quran.

a) Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for sex, his affairs with his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship at age 54 with Aisha, a 9-year-old child, his killing sprees, his massacre and the genocide of the Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination of his opponents, his raids and lootings of the merchant caravans and unarmed villagers, his burning of trees, his destroying the water wells, his cursing and invoking evil on his enemies, his revenge on his captured prisoners of war, his torturing of his captives to for greed and his hallucinations such as believing of having sex with his wives when he actually did not, disqualify him as a sane person let alone a messenger of God.

b) An unbiased study of the Quran shows that far from being a “miracle”, that book is a hoax. The Quran is replete with mistakes– scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors, contradictions and ethical fallacies. Could possibly the author of this Universe be as ignorant as it appears to be in the Quran?

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), slay them (9:5), fight with them (8:65 ), strive against them with great endeavor (25:52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9) and strike off their heads; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (47:4).

This is how the pagans are to be treated. As for the Christians and the Jews, the order is to subdue them and impose on them a penalty tax, after humiliating them (9:29) and if they resist, kill them.

The Quran is alien to freedom of belief and recognizes no other religion but Islam (3:85). It condemns those who do not believe to hellfire (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), orders the Muslims to fight them until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193), slay or crucify or cut the hands and the feet of the unbelievers and to expel them from the land with disgrace.

It stresses that the disbelievers shall have a great punishment in the world hereafter (5:34) and figuratively depicts a horrendous chastisement for them stating that they will go to hell to drink boiling water (14:17), that they will be engulfed in smoke and flames like the wall and the roof of a tent and if they implore relief they will be granted water like melting brass that will scald their faces, (18:29) and that “garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods” (22:19).

It also prohibits Muslims to associate with their own brothers and fathers if they are non-believers (9:23), (3:28).

As for the women the book of Allah is emphatic that they are inferior to men and if they disobey their husbands the latter have the right to beat them (4:34). Their punishment for disobeying their husbands does not end there, because after they die they will go to hell (66:10). The Quran emphasizes the superiority of men by confirming that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies women’s equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their testimony is not admissible in the court of law unless it is accompanied with the testimony of a man (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslim men to marry up to four wives (although he himself had a score of them) and gave them license to enjoy their “right-hand possessions” (women captured in wars), as many as they can capture or afford to buy (4:3), even if the woman is married before being captured (4:24).

The man who called himself the holy Prophet and a “mercy of God for all beings” did just that. Jawairiyah, Rayhanah and Safiyah were beautiful young girls who were captured when he raided the tribes of Banu al-Mustaliq, Qurayza and Nadir. The prophet slew their husbands, fathers and their male relatives and let his men rape them while he kept the prettiest for himself and raped her in the same day while they were still in the shock of the loss of their loved ones.

This book (Understanding Muhammad) scrutinizes Islam with Rational Thinking. It rejects time-honored beliefs that cannot stand the probing of reason. It asks questions and encourages independent thinking. It promotes unity of humankind, equality between men and women, abolition of prejudices and freedom from dogmatism and blind faith.

In a world that has become technologically so advanced that even some poor nations that cannot feed themselves boast having nuclear and biological weapons, small misunderstandings can have catastrophic results. Religion has always been a major source of misunderstandings among mankind. For religion, many people are ready to die, kill and destroy everything. Islam encourages that aggressive spirit explicitly. Only a Muslim can believe that he would go to paradise if he kills other human beings. Only a Muslim has no regard for lives that he destroys because their faith is not right.

In the last few decades, and thanks to the newfound wealth of the oil rich Islamic countries and massive immigration to the West, Islamic fundamentalism has been on the rise and the dormant spirit of Jihadism has been rekindled once again. This fervor has been translated into terrorism, revolutions, and upheavals, and world peace has been put in jeopardy. Millions of lives are now in danger.

Quran tells Muslims to slay the unbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), do not befriend them (3:28), fight them and show them harshness (9:123), and smite their heads (47:4).

Let us pause for a moment and take a second look at Islam. Can these really be the words of God? Was Muhammad really a messenger of God or was he a crazy man, like Hitler, who used the religious sentiment of the gullible to conquer, to dominate and to have an endless supply for his narcissistic cravings?

Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated. Islam must be eradicated not because the Quran says Earth is flat or the shooting stars are missiles that Allah fires at the Jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop on the conversation of the exalted assembly. These stupid tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights. Islam must go not because it is false but because it is destructive, because it is dangerous; a threat to peace and security of humankind. With the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in Islamic countries, Islam has become a serious and a real threat to the survival of our civilization.

In order for you to appreciate the evilness of Islam, let us choose a few verses of the Quran and switch the words “Muslim” and “non-Muslims” and see how they look:

We will cast terror into the hearts of Muslims. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12
Let not the non-Muslims take for friends or helpers the Muslims. 3:28,
Rouse the non-Muslims to the fight against Muslims. 8:65,
Then fight and slay the Muslims wherever ye find them, 9:5,
Fight the Muslims, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14,
O ye the non-Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Islam.9:23,
O ye the non-Muslims! Truly the Muslims are unclean. 9:28,
O ye non-Muslims! fight the Muslims who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you. 9:123,
Therefore, when ye meet the Muslims, smite at their necks; At length. 47:4,


Can these satanic verses be from God? We don’t have to face another world war. We can stop this madness by eradicating Islam. We can love each other like members of one family and celebrate our diversity. We can build a better world for our children. We can sing the songs of unity together. We can make this world a paradise but we have to remove the false doctrines that divide mankind into “us” versus “them” and believers versus disbelievers first. You and I are humans. We are part of the Humanity. We are members of one family: the family of Humankind. God created us all because he loved us all. Do not destroy what God has made. Muhammad was insane. Like Hitler he was a brilliant and manipulative psychopath.

Please read the Quran and the original history of Muhammad. Not the history written by today’s unscrupulous apologists of Islam but the history written by the early historians. Read the book of Al Waqidi, Ibn Ishaq and Al Tabari’s. Read the Hadith and see for yourself that what I say is the truth. We are a billion or more people, following an insane man. This is a colossal tragedy. No wonder Islamic world is sunk in utter misery, abundant poverty and abject ignorance. Our forefathers were forced to convert to Islam and our fathers did not have the chance to question it. But now we have that chance. Isn’t it time that we look into our faith to at least know what is it that we believe in?This site reveals the bitter truth about Islam. It proves that it is not a religion of God.

If you disagree with me, prove me wrong and I promise to remove this site. I challenge the apologists of Islam to prove me wrong or stop misleading the world with half truths and misinformation. But if no one can disprove me, as many Muslims have tried and failed, then I invite you to learn about the dark side of the Quran and the Hadith by reading the articles written by numerous authors (mostly ex-Muslims) and transcripts of debates that I have had with Muslim apologists who have tried to explain away the absurdities of Islam. I invite you to read the facts that I have quoted from the Quran and the Hadith that lead me to my conclusions. Above all, I invite you to put yourself in the position of the victims of Islam to appreciate the evilness of this so called religion. I want you to ask yourself whether you would like to be treated by non-Muslims as Islam and Muslims have treated and continue to treat the non-Muslims wherever they are the majority. Finally, I invite you to reject Islam and join us, the apostates, to save the world from “Islamic doom.”Let us save the world from its certain destruction. We don’t have to face another world war. We can stop this madness now. We can love each other like members of one family and celebrate our diversity like flowers of one garden. We can build a better world for our children. We can sing the songs of joy together. We can make a difference. Let not a psychopath liar fool you. Do not become an instrument of hate. Muhammad lied. This site is the proof.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/ffiprologue/

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Mr Man » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:45 pm

Dharmasherab wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:31 pm
Its a shame that anyone who brings up any rational criticism of Islamic teachings gets silenced by getting names called upon such as 'neo-conservative'

Hi Dharmasherab

Do you have an example of someone calling you (or someone else) a 'neo-conservative' because of their "rational criticism of Islamic teachings" on this forum?

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Kamran » Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:02 am

"Silence gives answers"

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Caodemarte » Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:48 pm

In what way is dedicated criticism of any religion “Connections to Other Paths?” This thread is not an exploration of the historic connections between Islam and Buddhism or a comparison of the various doctrines held by various Buddhists and Muslims. It seems only to exist to throw up ill-informed attacks on Islam, in this case, to stir up rancorous discussions and bigotry. Is that the purpose of DW? If not, why serve as host for these discussions? There are other darker and more sinister places for that.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by mikenz66 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:23 pm

Caodemarte wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:48 pm
In what way is dedicated criticism of any religion “Connections to Other Paths?” This thread is not an exploration of the historic connections between Islam and Buddhism or a comparison of the various doctrines held by various Buddhists and Muslims. It seems only to exist to throw up ill-informed attacks on Islam, in this case, to stir up rancorous discussions and bigotry. Is that the purpose of DW? If not, why serve as host for these discussions? There are other darker and more sinister places for that.
As noted in the OP, I split these posts from a thread that was an exploration of connections, since they were clearly off-topic.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Caodemarte » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:12 pm

mikenz66 wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:23 pm
Caodemarte wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:48 pm
In what way is dedicated criticism of any religion “Connections to Other Paths?” This thread is not an exploration of the historic connections between Islam and Buddhism or a comparison of the various doctrines held by various Buddhists and Muslims. It seems only to exist to throw up ill-informed attacks on Islam, in this case, to stir up rancorous discussions and bigotry. Is that the purpose of DW? If not, why serve as host for these discussions? There are other darker and more sinister places for that.
As noted in the OP, I split these posts from a thread that was an exploration of connections, since they were clearly off-topic.

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Thanks for you response. You have a difficult job. I would agree that these are off topic. They should then be deleted. I don't think they should be used to create a new topic when that dedicated topic itself is simply not suitable for DW. It is not suitable because it has nothing to do with exploring connections to other paths and is, as the title underlines, a platform for criticizing another religion. It makes DW looks bad to people looking for discussion about Buddhism and attractive to people looking to attack other religions.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:16 pm

Mr Man wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:45 pm
Dharmasherab wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:31 pm
Its a shame that anyone who brings up any rational criticism of Islamic teachings gets silenced by getting names called upon such as 'neo-conservative'

Hi Dharmasherab

Do you have an example of someone calling you (or someone else) a 'neo-conservative' because of their "rational criticism of Islamic teachings" on this forum?
Maybe you can convince newcomers that you have a point with that sly question.
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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by thomaslaw » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:14 am

Having read some of the postings about Islam, it is good to have this kind of discussion for a better understanding about Buddhist position facing current issues that Buddhists have to deal with. Note the Buddha in the early Buddhist texts also presented his criticism of other religions; e.g. the Buddha said 'not by birth does one become an outcaste 'vasala', ... by conduct one becomes an outcaste ...' This is clearly a criticism of the caste system's Brahmanism.

It seems the followers of Islam also could not live peacefully with different followers of Islam. Extreme Muslims in fact have problems with both Muslims and non-Muslims; extreme Muslims kill and will kill both Muslims and non-Muslims for their notion of Islam. For Buddhists they have to learn to be carefully and critically to protect themselves. Buddhists may need to help Muslims to see their true enemies are in fact internal, mental issues. For Buddhist they may need to know not only internal enemies but also external enemies.

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by James Tan » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:01 pm

thomaslaw wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:14 am
Having read some of the postings about Islam, it is good to have this kind of discussion for a better understanding about Buddhist position facing current issues that Buddhists have to deal with. Note the Buddha in the early Buddhist texts also presented his criticism of other religions; e.g. the Buddha said 'not by birth does one become an outcaste 'vasala', ... by conduct one becomes an outcaste ...' This is clearly a criticism of the caste system's Brahmanism.

It seems the followers of Islam also could not live peacefully with different followers of Islam. Extreme Muslims in fact have problems with both Muslims and non-Muslims; extreme Muslims kill and will kill both Muslims and non-Muslims for their notion of Islam. For Buddhists they have to learn to be carefully and critically to protect themselves. Buddhists may need to help Muslims to see their true enemies are in fact internal, mental issues. For Buddhist they may need to know not only internal enemies but also external enemies.
yes , as a buddhist we should well aware of the extremists threats as real not something far away from us .


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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by manas » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:11 am

Just found a very informative video about why the extreme left won't criticize Islam.
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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by Upeksha » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:45 am

I suppose my critique of Buddhists who wish to criticise Islam is simply this: what real or adequate knowledge of the topic do you actually have? Where did it come from? Did it emerge from open ended and analytical inquiry? Did you learn it in the same way you approached Buddha-Dhamma? What is your critique grounded in? Have you studied Islam formally? Academically? Have you spoken to learned Muslims? What gives you confidence that your view is in fact true and well established?

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Re: Criticism of Islam

Post by DooDoot » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:39 pm

rightviewftw wrote:
Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:29 pm
~19k Jihad attacks since 9/11.
When the Muslim Turkic Qarakhanids captured the Buddhist city of Khotan in Xinjiang in 1006 CE, one of their poets penned this verse: “We came down on them like a flood/We went out among their cities/We tore down the idol-temples/We shat on the Buddha’s head.”
manas wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:11 am
Just found a very informative video about why the extreme left won't criticize Islam.
Only scratches the surface. This said, Islam is not really a threat to the West but only those so-called 'Westerners" using it as a weapon.
Upeksha wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:45 am
Did you learn it in the same way you approached Buddha-Dhamma?
You have made a mere assumption here that the critics of Islam here actually understand Buddha-Dhamma.
Upeksha wrote:
Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:45 am
I suppose my critique of Buddhists who wish to criticise Islam is simply this: what real or adequate knowledge of the topic do you actually have? Where did it come from? Did it emerge from open ended and analytical inquiry? What is your critique grounded in? Have you studied Islam formally? Academically? Have you spoken to learned Muslims? What gives you confidence that your view is in fact true and well established?
The critics of Islam here appear to fail to consider that:

1. The Mongol & Turkic Qarakhanids massacred thousands, possibly millions, of Persian Muslims; that particularly many of the Mongol invaders received Buddhist training &/or teachings.

2. Contemporary Jihadist Extremists (since the time of President Eisenhower) are tools of US foreign policy, who murder Muslims. Anyone with common sense & logic would ask why is the Zionist Western media currently supporting anti-secular, anti-Christian Jihadists in Syria (including the 2016 media lies about Aleppo) and why Jihadists fought for Western objectives in Soviet-Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq, Libya & Syria. Ever since Trump gave the impression he ended the covert Obama program to fund terrorists, according to Israeli media, Israel is now openly funding these terrorists; just as Israel has flown hundreds of air bombing missions over Syria in the last 6 years or so.

3. In Australia, the only known Jihadi terrorist (Man Haron Monis) was sponsored by the Australian govt since his immigration to Australia and the Australia govt has allowed the family of ISIS Jihadi terrorists to resettle into Australia, similar to reports from Britain, France, Canada & elsewhere. Most Jihadi schools for children in the West are funded by Saudi Arabia, a political ally of Australia, USA, etc.

4. 3,000 Americans were murdered in broad-daylight on September 11 2001 yet many people still believe the official story this highly improbable successful attack was carried out by Jihadists living in caves in Afghanistan and that it was prudent for the so-called planner of this attack to be shot in Pakistan & his body dumped in the ocean.

5. Based on what these critics post, it seems they are 'educated' by the corporate (Military Industrial Complex & Zionist) mass-media.

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