THE UNIVERSE SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, CERN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER

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Re: THE UNIVERSE SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, CERN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER

Post by aflatun » Tue Nov 07, 2017 3:21 am

binocular wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:26 am
Up until about a hundred years ago, it was mandatory in European universities that all students, regardless of their major, take at least a general course in philosophy. I think that scientific "progress" would be far more sensible if students would still be required to do so. Because not just a little of what scientists do today (and which is called "progress" or "discovery") is little more than just rudimentary attempts at philosophy.
BULLSEYE my friend. Excellent post and well said! :goodpost:
Because not just a little of what scientists do today (and which is called "progress" or "discovery") is little more than just rudimentary attempts at philosophy
Love it. Rudimentary and clueless as to the assumptions involved in their speculations and how much better "all that" has already been done by the long dead without any scientific toys...
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

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"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

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Re: THE UNIVERSE SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, CERN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER

Post by binocular » Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:56 am

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Re: THE UNIVERSE SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, CERN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER

Post by chownah » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:07 pm

binocular wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:26 am
......not just a little of what scientists do today (and which is called "progress" or "discovery") is little more than just rudimentary attempts at philosophy.
Could you give us half a dozen examples from various disciplines?
I'm thinking about rudimentary attempts at philosophy which gave the scientific foundations so that engineers (who don't even seem to be making any attempts at any kind of philosophy) could produce the internet, nuclear weapons, space travel, photography, penicillin, glysophate, remotes for televisions, cosmetic surgery, etc. etc. etc. etc.. What other kind of rudimentary philosophy has had such an impact on so many people in so many ways? I'd hazard a guess and say "none".
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Re: THE UNIVERSE SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, CERN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER

Post by binocular » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:52 am

chownah wrote:
Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:07 pm
binocular wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:26 am
......not just a little of what scientists do today (and which is called "progress" or "discovery") is little more than just rudimentary attempts at philosophy.
Could you give us half a dozen examples from various disciplines?
I'm thinking about rudimentary attempts at philosophy which gave the scientific foundations
Who said anything about "rudimentary attempts at philosophy which gave the scientific foundations so that engineers /.../ could produce the internet etc."?

Aflatun and I were talking about "discoveries" like those in the OP -- where scientists use esp. physics to reply to metaphysical questions.
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Re: THE UNIVERSE SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, CERN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER

Post by Sam Vara » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:11 am

binocular wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:52 am

Aflatun and I were talking about "discoveries" like those in the OP -- where scientists use esp. physics to reply to metaphysical questions.
Yes, an excellent example is A Universe From Nothing, by Lawrence Krauss. I've not read it, but witnessed a number of philosophers and theologians queueing up to kick it.

Dawkins' The God Delusion is another beauty. It contains what one philosopher has called the most specious argument in the history of human thought.

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Re: THE UNIVERSE SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, CERN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER

Post by chownah » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:16 am

binocular wrote:
Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:26 am
Who said anything about "rudimentary attempts at philosophy which gave the scientific foundations so that engineers /.../ could produce the internet etc."?
Well, it kind of looks like you did....since previously you posted:
Up until about a hundred years ago, it was mandatory in European universities that all students, regardless of their major, take at least a general course in philosophy. I think that scientific "progress" would be far more sensible if students would still be required to do so. Because not just a little of what scientists do today (and which is called "progress" or "discovery") is little more than just rudimentary attempts at philosophy.
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Re: THE UNIVERSE SHOULD NOT ACTUALLY EXIST, CERN SCIENTISTS DISCOVER

Post by chownah » Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:21 am

The article in the OP was written by Hannah Osborne....she is a staff writer at newsweek....if you go to the page with info about staff it only says she graduated from Goldsmiths College University of London. Goldsmiths college univ of london has only two departments dealing with the sciences which are anthropology and psychology. They don't seem to have a math dept.

Hannah's articles include "Full Beaver Moon is Approaching: Here's What it Means"....from a scientific point of view it means nothing..."" and "NASA Releases Creepy Radio Recordings From Space " just in time for halloween as she says in the article.

She presents articles which are supposed to create interest in the sciences and are very thin on actual science. I read her recent article on a fusion energy advance (a topic I am very familiar with) and in the entire article there was only one small paragraph or three or so short sentences which gave a sketchy idea about what was discovered.

This is the person who is pushing metaphysics and pretty much guaranteed she is not even close to being a scientist.
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