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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by Aloka » Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:58 pm

Dharmasherab wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:30 pm

Lol. I know right? I dont understand why a certain group needs to get more privilage than the rest. It brings into mind what Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse said about this -
" I suspect that many liberals, atheists and much of the Western media would be delighted if news of a Jain suicide bomber now hit the headlines, because it would prove their point that all religions have a dark side and harbour extremists. How can we not be discouraged when Germany’s largest daily newspaper, the Süddeutsche Zeitung with a daily readership of more than one million, publishes a lead article about the Sogyal Rinpoche scandal under the section heading ‘Buddhism,’ and entitled “Abuse.” Imagine the outcry if the Western press were to report every Muslim bombing and massacre under the heading ‘Islam!’" - Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche
Sorry if this is off topic - but Dzongsar Jamyang Khentse is hardly a reliable person to quote about anything, since he appears to have been excusing Sogyal Lakar's abuse of female students over the years, as well as Sogyal's more recent punching of a nun in the stomach, which has resulted in him being expelled from the Tibetan Buddhist Rigpa organisation.
Such unacceptable behaviour needs to be exposed, rather than hidden.

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:35 pm

Greetings Aloka,
Aloka wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:58 pm
Sorry if this is off topic - but Dzongsar Jamyang Khentse is hardly a reliable person to quote about anything, since he appears to have been excusing Sogyal Lakar's abuse of female students over the years, as well as Sogyal's more recent punching of a nun in the stomach, which has resulted in him being expelled from the Tibetan Buddhist Rigpa organisation.
Such unacceptable behaviour needs to be exposed, rather than hidden.

https://www.lionsroar.com/letter-to-sog ... legations/
If anything that makes him a living case-in-point for the point he is communicating... namely that deeds should be called out for what they are, rather than being concealed or downplayed just because honest disclosure of who perpetrated the deed (and their motives) doesn't align with the prevailing PC narrative.

Metta,
Paul. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by DooDoot » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:57 pm

Dharmasherab wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:48 pm
The second lady to speak is Priscilla Clapp. She is currently a senior advisor to the U.S. Institute of Peace and the Asia Society. Here’s more about her:�During her 30-year career with the U.S. Government, Ms. Clapp served as chief of mission and permanent charge d’affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Burma (1999-2002), deputy chief of mission in the U.S. Embassy in South Africa (1993-96), principal deputy assistant aecretary of state for Refugee Programs (1989-1993), deputy political counselor in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow (1986-88), and chief of political-military affairs in the U.S. Embassy in Japan (1981-85). She also worked on the State Department's Policy Planning Staff, in the East Asian, Political Military and International Organizations bureaus, and with the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency.

Prior to government service, Ms. Clapp spent ten years in foreign policy and arms control research, with the MIT Center for International Studies and as a Research Associate at the Brookings Institution :o . She is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations :shock: and the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

Ms. Clapp’s books include: with Morton Halperin, "Bureaucratic Politics and Foreign Policy" (Brookings, 2006), with I.M. Destler et al., "Managing an Alliance: the Politics of U.S.-Japanese Relations" (Brookings, 1976), with Morton Halperin, "U.S.-Japanese Relations in the 1970's" (Harvard, 1974). She is a frequent media commentator and the author of numerous publications on Burma and U.S. Burma policy with USIP, the Brookings Institution, the East-West Center, Australia National University, the Asia Society, the National Bureau of Asian Research, Singapore’s ISEAS and others.
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I think this CV is enough to ignore this lady, at least for me. :|

The Council on Foreign Relations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_o ... _Relations created Islam terrorism, for example: :?
In 1959, Harvard awarded an associate professorship to Henry Kissinger instead of Brzezinski.[6] He then moved to New York City to teach at Columbia University.[13] Here he wrote Soviet Bloc: Unity and Conflict, which focused on Eastern Europe since the beginning of the Cold War. He also taught future Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who, like Brzezinski's widow Emily, is of Czech descent, and who he also mentored during her early years in Washington.[15] He also became a member of the Council on Foreign Relations in New York and joined the Bilderberg Group.

When asked if he regretted supporting Islamist groups in their fight against the Soviet Union, Brzezinski replied, “What was more important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of central Europe and the end of the Cold war?”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski






Brookings Instituation wrote plans for the division of Syria and now writes about profiting from the reconstruction of Syria. This lady is part of groups who are the supreme Neo-Con Imperialists.
The Brookings Institute Plan to Liquidate Syria

http://nena-news.it/the-brookings-insti ... ate-syria/

What to do? Counterintuitively, at this stage, the only realistic path forward may be a plan that in effect deconstructs Syria.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-fr ... eless-war/
SYRIA’S RECONSTRUCTION GOLD RUSH

The prospect of lucrative reconstruction deals has triggered a deluge of interest from governments and firms looking to profit from Syria’s devastation. The regime’s closest allies, Russia and Iran, have been the most prominent beneficiaries of the Syria reconstruction gold rush, with China not far behind.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2 ... -in-syria/

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by DooDoot » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:02 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:53 pm
Yes, that's what happens when mainstream narratives are automatically derived from the Oppression Olympics league tables...
Mainstream narratives... :?
The term "Palestine refugees" originally referred to both Arabs and Jews whose normal place of residence had been in Mandatory Palestine but were displaced and lost their livelihoods as a result of the 1948 Palestine war.[9] The UNRWA definition of the term includes the patrilineal descendants of the original "Palestine refugees", but is limited to persons residing in UNRWA's areas of operation in the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria.[9][10] In 2012, there were an estimated 4,950,000 registered patrilineal descendants of the original "Palestine refugees",[10] based on the UNRWA registration requirements,[2][3][11][12] of which an estimated 1.5 million lived in UNRWA camps.[13] The number of original refugees "who meet UNRWA's Palestine Refugee criteria" was 711,000 in 1950[1] of which approximately 30,000–50,000 were still alive in 2012.[14] The term does not include internally displaced Palestinians.

During the 1948 Palestine War, around 85% (720,000 people) of the Palestinian Arab population of what became Israel fled or were expelled from their homes, to the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and to the countries of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_refugees
Do The Math: Global War On Terror Has Killed 4 Million Muslims Or More
A recent study suggests the “War on Terror” has had two million victims, but reporter Nafeez Ahmed claims this may be only a fraction of the total dead from Western wars.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/do-the-mat ... re/208225/
During the war in Afghanistan (2001–present), over 31,000 civilian deaths due to war-related violence have been documented;[1][2] 29,900 civilians have been wounded.[2] Over 111,000 Afghans, including civilians, soldiers and militants, are estimated to have been killed in the conflict.[1] The Cost of War project estimated that the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may be as high 360,000 additional people based on a ratio of indirect to direct deaths in contemporary conflicts.[3] These numbers do not include those who have died in Pakistan.
Estimates of the casualties from the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (beginning with the 2003 US invasion of Iraq, and the ensuing occupation and insurgency) have come in many forms, and the accuracy of the information available on different types of Iraq War casualties varies greatly.
Official estimates of Iraq War casualties range from 110,000 to 460,000.[1] Other estimates, such as the 2006 Lancet study, and the 2007 Opinion Research Business survey, put the numbers as high as 650,000 and 1.2 million respectively.
Estimates of deaths in the Libyan Civil War vary with figures from 2,500 to 25,000 given between March 2 and October 2, 2011
Estimates of deaths in the Syrian Civil War, per opposition activist groups, vary between 331,765 and 475,000.[1] On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:33 am

Greetings DooDoot,

Thanks for the data points, but are you able to tie that back specifically to the current Rohingya scenario being discussed?

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by chownah » Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:48 am

Doodoot,
can you please come down to earth and get back on topic.....and take a reasonably small bite of the history of everything (hopefully one associated with the topic) and chew it politely.....only if you want to.....
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by DooDoot » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:00 am

chownah wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:48 am
propoganda mode
Thanks but this sounds irrational based on the real statistics; which is why the above is unsubstantiated.
retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:33 am
Thanks for the data points, but are you able to tie that back specifically to the current Rohingya scenario being discussed?
It ties back specifically to the current Rohingya scenario because it is part of the Oppression Olympics that was posted, which referred to 'Muslims' as #1 rather than 'Rohingya'. In short, since 9/11 (and prior), its OK to murder Muslims because they are Muslims.

It does not matter how many genuine or dodgy quotes are made from the Koran, the reality is Islam is not against the West and has never attacked the West probably since the battle for Vienna in 1683.

For students of history (rather than adherents of the mass media), after the fall of the British Empire, most Muslim nations, such as Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Indonesia and maybe Libya embraced democracy but the USA worked to install dictators in those countries. DYOR.
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 am

Greetings DooDoot,
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Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:00 am
In short, since 9/11 (and prior), its OK to murder Muslims because they are Muslims.
Is it? According to whom exactly?

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by DooDoot » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:12 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 am
Is it? According to whom exactly?
According to the majority, who support the US govt & media narrative that "Islam hates our Western values". In your Olympics post, you appeared to call the actual wars against Muslim nations a "narrative". You seemed to infer Muslims have nothing to complain about. As for your metta, I think it is best radiated towards all beings; to create clear vision.
This is said to be the sublime abiding.
By not holding to fixed views,
The pure-hearted one, having clarity of vision.

Metta Sutta
Muslims do not hate us. Muslims like immigrating to Western countries for the lifestyle. I had my blood taken this morning by a Bangladeshi pathologist wearing a Hijab. Nice lady. One million Muslims in Australia, 1/25 of the population. 1 terrorist act performed by an Iranian the Iran govt warned was a criminal but the Australian govt embraced as a persecuted person. All the Aussies could do was lay flowers in Martin Place.
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:20 am

Greetings DooDoot,

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 am
Is it? According to whom exactly?
DooDoot wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:12 am
According to the majority, who ...
Hold on. So literally the majority of people advocate killing Muslims for being Muslims? Really?...

Personally, I've never in my life met anyone who would suggest anything so preposterous. Unless you've got any polls and studies that validate this, this is nothing more than unbelievable hyperbole.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by DooDoot » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:25 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:20 am
Hold on. So literally the majority of people advocate killing Muslims for being Muslims? Really?...
Based on the principle of democracy, certainly yes literally. US, UK & Australian military forces were active in Afghanistan, Iraq & Syria and supported the intervention in Libya. As democracies, the majority of citizens, by default, literally supported these unwarranted wars.
retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:20 am
Personally, I've never in my life met anyone who would suggest anything so preposterous. Unless you've got any polls and studies that validate this, this is nothing more than unbelievable hyperbole.
Well, my impression was your Olympics post inferred Muslim persecution is mere propaganda & unwarranted. Thus it supported the murdering of Muslims & Rohingya by trivializing their situation. How else would a reasonable person view this image below?

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:30 am

Tillerson: Myanmar clearly 'ethnic cleansing' the Rohingya

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/22/polit ... index.html
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:36 am

Greetings DooDoot,
DooDoot wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:25 am
Well, my impression was your Olympics post inferred Muslim persecution is mere propaganda & unwarranted.
No, not at all.
DooDoot wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:25 am
How else would a reasonable person view this image below?
The diagram represents the typical outcomes from a process known as the Oppression Olympics
The Oppression Olympics have been described as a contest within a group, to "assert who is more authentic, more oppressed, and thus more correct". This may be on the basis of one's race, gender, sexuality, among other stated or ascribed identities.

A person's stated or ascribed identity "become[s] fetishised" within the group and judged in preconceived essentialist terms. There is a dynamic "of agreeing with the most marginalized in the room".

Stoyan Francis described "The gold medal of the Oppression Olympics is seen as the commanding spot for demanding change, for visibility and allocation of resources".
Just as the "dynamic of agreeing with the most marginalized in the room" and determining who is "more oppressed, and thus more correct" plays out in the sphere of Cultural Marxist activism, so too can it play out in the media, especially when the media is so heavily represented by virtue-signalling Cultural Marxists, and are often owned by globalists.

So, if we set aside the collectivist thinking of the Oppression Olympics, we can see that:

- Someone is not automatically "right" or "wrong" based on identity classifications
- Someone is not automatically "in the right" or "in the wrong" based on identity classifications

That conclusion really should be self-evident, but it will rarely be admitted by those who are partisan, especially those who benefit from the application of collectivist (as opposed to individual) logic.

Through the lens of the suttas we can see that "right" and "wrong" is an individual, not collective quality, and that it is determined by the quality of mind, not external adjudication... especially not external adjudication which is collectivist in nature.

This conclusion, rooted in the Buddha's doctrine of kamma, applies to all scenarios, thus it also applies here.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by DooDoot » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:42 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:36 am
Just as the "dynamic of agreeing with the most marginalized in the room" and determining who is "more oppressed, and thus more correct" plays out in the sphere of Cultural Marxist activism, so too can it play out in the media, especially when the media is so heavily represented by virtue-signalling Cultural Marxists, and are often owned by globalists.
On September 11, 2001, there was an event which lead to large scale vilification & demonisation of Islam and a series of wars or hoped for wars across the Middle-East. This does not appear to be Cultural Marxism but something deadly & real.


retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:36 am
That conclusion really should be self-evident, but it will rarely be admitted by those who are partisan, especially those who benefit from the application of collectivist (as opposed to individual) logic.
Saying this does not make it not apply to the one who says it. Personally, I think Islam is not ideal. I have no partisan allegiance to Islam. However, when Australia made war against Iraq in 2003 or whenever, this was immoral & unjustified because Iraq did not threaten Australia or the United States.
retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:36 am
Through the lens of the suttas we can see that "right" and "wrong" is an individual, not collective quality, and that it is determined by the quality of mind, not external adjudication... especially not external adjudication which is collectivist in nature.
Funny how you jump from the doctrine of Oppression Olympics to the Pali suttas; as though the Buddha would agree with the doctrine of Oppression Olympics. Regardless, I would say the above comment is through the lens of Retrofuturist rather than related to the Pali suttas. The doctrine of kamma is mostly irrelevant to the case of the Rohingya; which is an ethic cleansing for economic or other grounds. The Pali suttas do not say the victims of Angulimala were killed by Angulimala do to their intentional kamma.
retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:36 am
This conclusion, rooted in the Buddha's doctrine of kamma, applies to all scenarios, thus it also applies here.
Thru my personal lens, the relevant kamma is - as an individual person - you form part of a democracy & a member of this public forum and your personal individual actions may influence the killing of Rohingya. It was individuals who protested & helped end the Vietnam War. This is the relevant kamma. As was taught in SN 55.7, are we speaking in praise of non-killing?
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by chownah » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:59 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:36 am
Greetings DooDoot,
DooDoot wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:25 am
Well, my impression was your Olympics post inferred Muslim persecution is mere propaganda & unwarranted.
No, not at all.
Yes it does. This is the unintended consequence of your posting about your beloved "oppression olypmics".
The oppression olympics is a meme created by political activists on the right. It is liked by many because it has an element of humor.....and like alot of humor it is an exageration. The oppression olympics started as a humorous sketch and it immediately took root in the minds of some people on the right who spread it around with the result being that conservatives who are not so discerning of what is actually and really on peoples minds accepted it at face value and interpretted it to mean that the problems which minorities face are exaggerations and do not deserve to be taken seriously and addressed. ONe could say that this is an unintended conssequence and it probably is for some people (like you) but for alot of political operatives it is exactly the intended consequence.

The "oppression olympics" is a repressive tool used by the winners of the "oppresive olympics" where the ones who reach the gold are the ones who are the most white, christian, coersive, and violent.

The "oppression olympics" is used to divide people and I don't mean that the oppressed people are intent on division....I mean that it is the winners of the "oppresive olympics" that have that intention.....it is the winners of the "oppresive olympics" which proliferate the concept of the "oppression olympics" mostly and mostly not the oppressed people of the world.
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