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Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by indianromeo » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:43 am

Alright in case anyone isn’t noticing, Rohingyan genocide is bad. What are people doing, activism wise? Does anyone have any ideas about how to influence international policy via either the UN or the US, or via international NGO’s?

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by L.N. » Sat Oct 28, 2017 5:34 pm

Not exactly activism, but here is a link to donate: https://help.rescue.org/donate/myanmar? ... _es_170929
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by Dharmasherab » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:48 pm

The current Rohingya situation in Burma is being discussed a lot these days, and the general narrative seems to be that the Muslim Rohingya are entirely victims, and the Buddhist Burmese are terrible and committing acts of genocide. Speaking against the Rohingya in any way seems to attract accusations of ‘Islamobhobia’. And there have even been calls to strip Aung San Suu Kyi of her Nobel Peace Prize for not speaking up loudly enough in favour of the Rohingya cause. To me, this situation seems to be imbalanced.
I do not condone violence. And I believe it is wrong to judge any people as bad merely on the basis of what religion they follow. However, I am a keen supporter of objectivity and of factual information. I would therefore like to share here two items - a video from BBC news on the issue, in which you will hear two sides of the story from two women whose backgrounds I have detailed below for those interested (it is good to know your sources); and an article on the history and background of this current situation.
I welcome any criticism by anyone who can demonstrate any factual errors in either source. I say that because I do not have a fixed view. I think this issue is worthy of open conversation, and I am against the idea that one should stick to one opinion and close ones ears and eyes to information that might challenge ones views. I believe ‘truth’ and ‘objectivity’ are far more important than ‘my’ views, if I had any.

Here is the video:


Here is also a detailed analysis of the history of this issue:
https://bdcburma.wordpress.com/2012/09/ ... ern-burma/
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Background on the two speakers in the video:
The first lady to speak on this issue is Sanam Shantyaei. According to her company France 24’s website, she is “a specialist on Iran coverage and the weekly host of Middle East Matters”. I struggled to find more info about her, there’s no wikipedia page on her, but to quote her profile on the website of the company she works for in full:
“She is a British-Iranian journalist with more than a decade's experience as a foreign correspondent and international news television producer. At France 24, she is notably a specialist on Iran coverage and the weekly host of Middle East Matters.”

The second lady to speak is Priscilla Clapp. She is currently a senior advisor to the U.S. Institute of Peace and the Asia Society. Here’s more about her:�During her 30-year career with the U.S. Government, Ms. Clapp served as chief of mission and permanent charge d’affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Burma (1999-2002), deputy chief of mission in the U.S. Embassy in South Africa (1993-96), principal deputy assistant aecretary of state for Refugee Programs (1989-1993), deputy political counselor in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow (1986-88), and chief of political-military affairs in the U.S. Embassy in Japan (1981-85). She also worked on the State Department's Policy Planning Staff, in the East Asian, Political Military and International Organizations bureaus, and with the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency.

Prior to government service, Ms. Clapp spent ten years in foreign policy and arms control research, with the MIT Center for International Studies and as a Research Associate at the Brookings Institution. She is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the International Institute for Strategic Studies.

Ms. Clapp’s books include: with Morton Halperin, "Bureaucratic Politics and Foreign Policy" (Brookings, 2006), with I.M. Destler et al., "Managing an Alliance: the Politics of U.S.-Japanese Relations" (Brookings, 1976), with Morton Halperin, "U.S.-Japanese Relations in the 1970's" (Harvard, 1974). She is a frequent media commentator and the author of numerous publications on Burma and U.S. Burma policy with USIP, the Brookings Institution, the East-West Center, Australia National University, the Asia Society, the National Bureau of Asian Research, Singapore’s ISEAS and others.
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If anyone can clearly disprove any of Ms. Clapp’s statements in the video, or any of the historical information in the article, I welcome you to comment with your reasoning and references. I am not posting these because I have verified all of the information myself and these are not my own opinions. Rather, I am posting them because I have no reason to believe they contain false data (except for Sanam Shantyaei's data as first speaker in the video). And because it seems the general information in the public discourse appears to be biased, incomplete, and inaccurate.

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:53 pm

Greetings Dharmasherab,
Dharmasherab wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:48 pm
The current Rohingya situation in Burma is being discussed a lot these days, and the general narrative seems to be that the Muslim Rohingya are entirely victims, and the Buddhist Burmese are terrible and committing acts of genocide.
Yes, that's what happens when mainstream narratives are automatically derived from the Oppression Olympics league tables...

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... rather than...
Dharmasherab wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:48 pm
I believe it is wrong to judge any people as bad merely on the basis of what religion they follow. However, I am a keen supporter of objectivity and of factual information.
Dharmasherab wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:48 pm
I think this issue is worthy of open conversation, and I am against the idea that one should stick to one opinion and close ones ears and eyes to information that might challenge ones views. I believe ‘truth’ and ‘objectivity’ are far more important than ‘my’ views, if I had any.
Very well said.

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by chownah » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:45 am

Your post can easily be taken that we should ignore the suffering of the rohingya.....and others.
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:57 am

Greetings Chownah,
chownah wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:45 am
Your post can easily be taken that we should ignore the suffering of the rohingya.....and others.
Mine? No, I'm just reaffirming Dharmasherab's perspective that one should not unconditionally accept the prevailing narrative, especially when there is awareness of how mainstream media narratives come to be.

If a particular subject is of interest, try to learn the objective facts, and discern your own truth.

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Paul. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by SarathW » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:04 am

Your post can easily be taken that we should ignore the suffering of the rohingya.....and others.
What we have to remember here is there are two sides in this story.
Human crisis and a political crisis.
What is high lighted is the human crisis not the political crisis.

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by chownah » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:28 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:57 am
Greetings Chownah,
chownah wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:45 am
Your post can easily be taken that we should ignore the suffering of the rohingya.....and others.
Mine? No, I'm just reaffirming Dharmasherab's perspective that one should not unconditionally accept the prevailing narrative, especially when there is awareness of how mainstream media narratives come to be.

If a particular subject is of interest, try to learn the objective facts, and discern your own truth.

Metta,
Paul. :)
I'm not talking about what what your intended message is.....I'm talking about what the uninformed reader can very easily take from your post.....I'm talking about the unintended consequence.
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by pulga » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:38 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:04 am

What we have to remember here is there are two sides in this story.
I think you make a good point. The Rohingya insurgency is seldom if ever mentioned in the stories of the atrocities committed against them.

I've always felt that if the West hadn't tended towards takings sides in the early stages of the conflict in Sri Lanka the war there would have ended much sooner. But because the Tamils were regarded as freedom fighters and the Tamil diaspora given refugee status and allowed by many nations to finance their rebellion unhindered, there was the means to carry out years of hostility and bloodshed.
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Post by lyndon taylor » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:12 am

Can't believe we have pro Rohingya genocide posters on the forum.
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by SarathW » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:19 am

What we have to remember in this type of conflicts is only the minority create the problem. The majority innocent caught in the middle. All these conflicts are dependently originated. Both parties should take the responsibility.
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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by Dharmasherab » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:30 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:53 pm
Yes, that's what happens when mainstream narratives are automatically derived from the Oppression Olympics league tables...
Lol. I know right? I dont understand why a certain group needs to get more privilage than the rest. It brings into mind what Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse said about this -
" I suspect that many liberals, atheists and much of the Western media would be delighted if news of a Jain suicide bomber now hit the headlines, because it would prove their point that all religions have a dark side and harbour extremists. How can we not be discouraged when Germany’s largest daily newspaper, the Süddeutsche Zeitung with a daily readership of more than one million, publishes a lead article about the Sogyal Rinpoche scandal under the section heading ‘Buddhism,’ and entitled “Abuse.” Imagine the outcry if the Western press were to report every Muslim bombing and massacre under the heading ‘Islam!’" - Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by No_Mind » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:48 pm

Dharmasherab wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:48 pm
The current Rohingya situation in Burma is being discussed a lot these days, and the general narrative seems to be that the Muslim Rohingya are entirely victims, and the Buddhist Burmese are terrible and committing acts of genocide. Speaking against the Rohingya in any way seems to attract accusations of ‘Islamobhobia’. And there have even been calls to strip Aung San Suu Kyi of her Nobel Peace Prize for not speaking up loudly enough in favour of the Rohingya cause. To me, this situation seems to be imbalanced.
If I am not mistaken you are copy pasting the same post over and over again in different threads. This is at least the third time that I am reading this.

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by Dharmasherab » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:52 pm

No_Mind wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:48 pm
If I am not mistaken you are copy pasting the same pot over and over again in different threads. This is the third time at least that I am reading this
Yes. Thats what I did. Its different people can follow different thread even though they are on the same topic.

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Re: Activism supporting Rohingya

Post by binocular » Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:05 pm

chownah wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:28 am
I'm not talking about what what your intended message is.....I'm talking about what the uninformed reader can very easily take from your post.....I'm talking about the unintended consequence.
The uninformed reader who does not think critically.
I agree that in these discussions, there are people who think in black and white terms -- "Either you see the Rohingyas as innocent victims, or you're supporting the perpetrators / are a karmic determinist." As if there would be no other options, no complexity to account for.

It's not clear how to discuss this topic in such a way that does not provoke the ire of those black-and-white thinkers, other than by siding with the official politically correct virtue-signalling party line.

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