Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

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Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by Maitri » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:05 am

Justine Damond – the name she used professionally – was in her pajamas speaking with a police officer who was in the driver’s seat of a police vehicle that responded to her call when the officer in the passenger side allegedly “pulled his gun and shot Damond through the driver’s side door,” The Minneapolis Star Tribune is reporting through three sources. The officers’ body cameras were not turned on.

The officer who shot Damond was named by KTSP-TV as Mohamed Noor, the first Somali-American police officer in his precinct and an immigrant to the U.S. His lawyer said in a statement that Noor regarded police work as a “calling.” Damond was shot multiple times, the television station reported. Noor, 31, had only been on the force since 2015.

Justine was engaged to marry Don Damond, who is vice president and manager of Little Six Casino in Minnesota. On LinkedIn, Justine defined herself as a “Speaker, Coach & Consultant for Neuroscience & Meditation Based Change Initiatives.” Her heartbroken fiancee praised her sense of humor and kind spirit and said he’d been given almost no information from police about what happened.

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What happened to "Protect & Serve"? Here we see the same level of reckless police behavior seen in the killing of Philando Castile.

May her friends and family be well.
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by Santi253 » Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:17 pm

I'm sick of this sh*t! No one is above the law! Who will police the police?
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by dharmacorps » Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:05 pm

While obviously this is a tragedy, we know almost nothing about what happened and therefore can't ascribe motivations or judgements to people involved.

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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by CedarTree » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:05 pm

Love and strength to the family and loved ones who at this point are probably in a lot of pain.

Utter tragedy.


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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by Maitri » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:30 pm

dharmacorps wrote:While obviously this is a tragedy, we know almost nothing about what happened and therefore can't ascribe motivations or judgements to people involved.
Yes, I agree. In all these instances I wait until getting more information until I make a judgement call. Even then it can be difficult as it is filtered through the media.

I think all of these shootings of Americans point towards overt police militarization and aggressive tactics against citizens. This is a problem for all Americans regardless of race, class or gender.
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by chownah » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:15 am

I want to make it clear that I do think that the use of deadly force by the police in america is a problem and steps should be taken to correct this problem. Having said that please consider that american private citizens have two to three times as many guns as any other country in the world so the police have a greater chance of having to deal with an armed individual than in most places. Also, consider that america is a rich nation where even low income people can easily afford a gun and this means that people who are so mentally disturbed that they do not have much money can still acquire a gun. Also, consider that if you were a police officer in america and if you knew absolutely that you would often be dealing with people who are armed and that some of these people would be mentally disturbed how would you feel?....a bit on edge?...easy entry into a state of paranoia?....your life is on the line daily, hourly, moment by moment?

How many people here would like to have a career in law enforcement in america? If we want to solve this problem then perhaps if people who were more sensitive to the problem became police officers this would help. Seems like people here are more sensitive to the problem.....what's keeping you from signing up?...fear?
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by Pseudobabble » Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:58 pm

The officers’ body cameras were not turned on.
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by dharmacorps » Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:50 am

Maitri wrote:
dharmacorps wrote:While obviously this is a tragedy, we know almost nothing about what happened and therefore can't ascribe motivations or judgements to people involved.
Yes, I agree. In all these instances I wait until getting more information until I make a judgement call. Even then it can be difficult as it is filtered through the media.

I think all of these shootings of Americans point towards overt police militarization and aggressive tactics against citizens. This is a problem for all Americans regardless of race, class or gender.
It could be militarization too. I have worked in law enforcement related work (coroners dept) for 20 years and have seen that the number of shootings by police is no more or less than it has been in the past but the media's attention to it is far, far more intense and far more geared toward creating a acrimonious dialogue. So its very good to be skeptical of the media.

Another factor which I don't think is always seen outside law enforcement is the laws and policies the police under in terms of rules of engagement. Or better said, when they are permitted to shoot people or otherwise "get physcial" with people.

But as far as this Minnesota case, who knows. Sounds very weird and perhaps more rooted in stupidity rather than malice.

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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by Santi253 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:19 am

I support the good cops. It's sad that, every time someone criticizes police misbehavior, Americans interpret that as being anti-police in general.
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by chownah » Fri Jul 21, 2017 6:05 am

Santi253 wrote:I support the good cops. It's sad that, every time someone criticizes police misbehavior, Americans interpret that as being anti-police in general.
It seems that there are alot of black americans who do not interpret it that way. Do you recognize black americans as being Americans?....do you ignore them entirely when thinking of Americans?
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by Santi253 » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:01 am

chownah wrote:
Santi253 wrote:I support the good cops. It's sad that, every time someone criticizes police misbehavior, Americans interpret that as being anti-police in general.
It seems that there are alot of black americans who do not interpret it that way. Do you recognize black americans as being Americans?....do you ignore them entirely when thinking of Americans?
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by Maitri » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:22 pm

chownah wrote: How many people here would like to have a career in law enforcement in america? If we want to solve this problem then perhaps if people who were more sensitive to the problem became police officers this would help. Seems like people here are more sensitive to the problem.....what's keeping you from signing up?...fear?
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Ridiculous.
So every American needs to become a senator or the president in order to disagree with their actions and policies? We elect and appoint people to the branches of government to represent our interests as American citizens.

You don't need to sign up to be a police officer to criticize their behavior. They are public servants and answerable to the tax paying citizens who employ them. You don't seem to grasp how a republic works or at least the executive branch of the state and/or local U.S. governments. It is the duty and obligation of private citizens to monitor and correct their elected officials when required. That doesn't mean that every private citizen needs to become a firefighter or police officer in order to push for changes and accountability in these departments. The Minneapolis police answer to Minneapolis residents and tax payers, not the other way around. No one needs to prove themselves by joining the police force in order to critique their behavior or policies.
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by chownah » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:48 am

Maitri wrote:
chownah wrote: How many people here would like to have a career in law enforcement in america? If we want to solve this problem then perhaps if people who were more sensitive to the problem became police officers this would help. Seems like people here are more sensitive to the problem.....what's keeping you from signing up?...fear?
chownah
Ridiculous.
So every American needs to become a senator or the president in order to disagree with their actions and policies? We elect and appoint people to the branches of government to represent our interests as American citizens.

You don't need to sign up to be a police officer to criticize their behavior. They are public servants and answerable to the tax paying citizens who employ them. You don't seem to grasp how a republic works or at least the executive branch of the state and/or local U.S. governments. It is the duty and obligation of private citizens to monitor and correct their elected officials when required. That doesn't mean that every private citizen needs to become a firefighter or police officer in order to push for changes and accountability in these departments. The Minneapolis police answer to Minneapolis residents and tax payers, not the other way around. No one needs to prove themselves by joining the police force in order to critique their behavior or policies.
I think you need to read my post more carefully. I did not say any of the things you are suggesting. I asked how many people here would like to have a career in law enforcement in america. Many people here don't even live in america so obviously I am not suggesting that they should move to america and pursue such a career.
If you reply to a post without reading it carefully and taking effort to understand its meaning then your reply might be seen as being ridiculous.
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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by dharmacorps » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:17 pm

I do agree that law enforcement is an incredibly difficult, dangerous, necessary, and thankless job and I doubt many of us on here are willing to volunteer for. So I get your point Chownah.

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Re: Meditation Teacher Shot by Police in MN

Post by Maitri » Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:33 am

chownah wrote:
Maitri wrote:
chownah wrote: How many people here would like to have a career in law enforcement in america? If we want to solve this problem then perhaps if people who were more sensitive to the problem became police officers this would help. Seems like people here are more sensitive to the problem.....what's keeping you from signing up?...fear?
chownah
Ridiculous.
So every American needs to become a senator or the president in order to disagree with their actions and policies? We elect and appoint people to the branches of government to represent our interests as American citizens.

You don't need to sign up to be a police officer to criticize their behavior. They are public servants and answerable to the tax paying citizens who employ them. You don't seem to grasp how a republic works or at least the executive branch of the state and/or local U.S. governments. It is the duty and obligation of private citizens to monitor and correct their elected officials when required. That doesn't mean that every private citizen needs to become a firefighter or police officer in order to push for changes and accountability in these departments. The Minneapolis police answer to Minneapolis residents and tax payers, not the other way around. No one needs to prove themselves by joining the police force in order to critique their behavior or policies.
I think you need to read my post more carefully. I did not say any of the things you are suggesting. I asked how many people here would like to have a career in law enforcement in america. Many people here don't even live in america so obviously I am not suggesting that they should move to america and pursue such a career.
If you reply to a post without reading it carefully and taking effort to understand its meaning then your reply might be seen as being ridiculous.
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No, it's clear from your other posts you are a contrarian and hardly make a direct point in any thread. You directly asked why people aren't signing up to be police officers.

Stating that policing is difficult is a "no duh" statement. It's a very dangerous job. That's not the point. Police officers are all a volunteer force. They choose to enter the law enforcement profession. The point is that policing has become highly adversarial in the U.S. against civilians due the militarization of the police force. More awareness of shooting civilians is occurring due to the internet. As always, the gearing up of police forces is due to money from the military industrial complex rather than a concern for citizens' safety.

https://www.economist.com/blogs/economi ... xplains-22

Not only are the shootings a major problem, so is the lack of accountability. It has to do with a system that protects its own rather than seeking justice.
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