Changes in attitudes towards global warming

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In the past 5 years I have become...

More concerned about man-made climate change
23
50%
Equally concerned about man-made climate change
9
20%
Less concerned about man-made climate change
6
13%
Never believed in it, still don't
5
11%
Climate change? Global warming? Bring it on!
3
7%
 
Total votes: 46

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Kim OHara » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:02 am

Just for "fun" ...
Climate change: how hot will it get in my lifetime? - interactive
The UN is to publish the most exhaustive examination of climate change science to date, predicting dangerous temperature rises. How hot will it get in your lifetime? Find out with our interactive guide, which shows projections based on the report
Try it - https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... nteractive

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by chownah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:38 am

robertk wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:27 pm
The Australian

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion ... f80f963d35
Imagine if mankind’s increasingly costly attempts to arrest CO2 emissions were unnecessary. That the misallocation of productive resources, prolonging the misery of the world’s most vulnerable people, was nothing more than a cynical ideological exercise?
Yeah, imagine that. The "misallocation" of productive resources caused by climate change will reduce air pollution saving multitudes of people from disease and death, it will reduce the cost of transportation, it will have provided tens of thousands of jobs,,........and a really important one in my view is that it will have electrified homes and villages in poor rural places around the world where otherwise there would be no electricity....having the effect that people have more time throughout the day that they can be productive do to lighting, that they can easily charge their communication devices, they can have refrigerators, clinics, etc. etc. etc.

The world needs more "misallocation" of productive resources like that I think.
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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by robertk » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:02 am

Kim OHara wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:48 pm
Robert,
Is that slab of text all one quote, from the linked article?
The link is paywalled, so I can't check. I can't even see who the author is ... which might explain much.

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it is by Maurice Newman. And of course it is all from.the same article.
The Australian is actually Australia's national newspaper ( although with a lower circulation than say the herald sun or couriermail) and my favorite antipodean read. Worth a subscription fee?

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Kim OHara » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:56 am

robertk wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:02 am
Kim OHara wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:48 pm
Robert,
Is that slab of text all one quote, from the linked article?
The link is paywalled, so I can't check. I can't even see who the author is ... which might explain much.

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Kim
it is by Maurice Newman. And of course it is all from.the same article.
:thanks:
That's this Maurice Newman -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_N ... ate_change
... In August 2014, Newman was widely criticised by leading scientists and newspaper journalists for stating that the earth is undergoing "cooling" rather than warming.[13][14] Furthermore, he has suggested that climate change is propaganda aimed at bringing about a one world government controlled by the United Nations.[15] ...
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... al-cooling
... Given we’ve been here before, I’m starting to think that Newman might actually have written some clever computer code that first scrapes climate science denial blogs for conspiracy theories and common misrepresentations and then turns them into 950-words for The Australian newspaper.
The column, which warned of a concocted threat of “global cooling”, made several remarkable and wrong scientific claims, cherry-picked evidence, misrepresented findings and, in at least one case, badly misrepresented the views of a British scientist. ...
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-11/s ... un/6460160
... The call of a "new world order" is a key phrase in the lexicon of paranoiacs. So why is the chairman of Tony Abbott's Business Advisory Council using the term to talk about climate change and the UN? Jeff Sparrow writes.
"(Calls to respond to climate change are) about a new world order under the control of the UN. It is opposed to capitalism and freedom and has made environmental catastrophism a household topic to achieve its objective."
That's Maurice Newman, chairman of Tony Abbott's Business Advisory Council, writing for The Australian.
It's a rhetoric instantly recognisable to anyone familiar with fringe politics in the United States. The "New World Order" is a key phrase in the lexicon of American paranoiacs, a term ubiquitous on the websites of gun nuts, religious fanatics and survivalists. ...
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robertk wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:02 am
The Australian is actually Australia's national newspaper ( although with a lower circulation than say the herald sun or couriermail) and my favorite antipodean read.
Australia's newspaper scene is dire. Murdoch owns most of it and blatantly uses it to push his right wing agenda. See, e.g. https://theconversation.com/factcheck-d ... alia-16812
and http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uplo ... persOz.jpg
He knowingly publishes outright lies. That being so, trusting anything he publishes is dumb. (So is most of what he publishes, but that's another crock of something-or-other.)
robertk wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:02 am
Worth a subscription fee?
That's a "no" in case you hadn't guessed. :tongue:

If you want Aussie news, the ABC online news service http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/ is excellent, and The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/au is the best of the "newspapers" IMO.

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by robertk » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:16 am

The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/au is the best of the "newspapers" IMO.
the Guardian is a leftist British newspaper, not an Auss one?

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Sam Vara » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:46 am

robertk wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:16 am
The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/au is the best of the "newspapers" IMO.
the Guardian is a leftist British newspaper, not an Auss one?
It has, I believe, Australian and US versions as well as UK. Its marketing strategy is segmentation, targetting countries where there are sizeable left-liberal groups online, hoping thereby combat falling print revenues.

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Kim OHara » Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:24 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:46 am
robertk wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:16 am
The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/au is the best of the "newspapers" IMO.
the Guardian is a leftist British newspaper, not an Auss one?
It has, I believe, Australian and US versions as well as UK.
I didn't know about the US one but yes, ours is not the UK edition.
Its marketing strategy is segmentation, targetting countries where there are sizeable left-liberal groups online, hoping thereby combat falling print revenues.
That fits with what I see.
And of course Murdoch's dominance here leaves the "left-liberal" Aussie market crying out for something that is (at least) not so far Right. :juggling:

Meanwhile, every newspaper publisher in Europe, the US and Australia has been struggling financially since a lot of news and most advertising went online - since around ten years ago at least. That has led Murdoch to repeatedly slash editorial (aka reporting) staff and fill up the empty space between the ads with stories shared across the group, with "opinion" pieces like Newman's, and with advertorials, instead of any solid reporting. :toilet: - or death spiral, if you prefer. I have vague memories of Rupert saying a few years ago, "Yes, we lose money on the newspapers but we're not going to abandon them because they are such powerful opinion leaders," or words very much to that effect. [no emoji seems strong enough at this point]

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Sam Vara » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:07 am

Kim OHara wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:24 am


Meanwhile, every newspaper publisher in Europe, the US and Australia has been struggling financially since a lot of news and most advertising went online - since around ten years ago at least. That has led Murdoch to repeatedly slash editorial (aka reporting) staff and fill up the empty space between the ads with stories shared across the group, with "opinion" pieces like Newman's, and with advertorials, instead of any solid reporting. :toilet: - or death spiral, if you prefer. I have vague memories of Rupert saying a few years ago, "Yes, we lose money on the newspapers but we're not going to abandon them because they are such powerful opinion leaders," or words very much to that effect. [no emoji seems strong enough at this point]

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Yes, that's certainly the case. The Guardian would not openly worship the market in such a way, but it is following suit in practice. It is of course supported by an off-shore trust-fund, which is why its criticism of international capital is somewhat selective. The old "glory days" of investigative journalism have gone, to be replaced with "churnalism" and opinion-pieces, plus the standard international news-feed from outsourced companies like Reuters. Last Monday, it also changed its (UK) print version to tabloid rather than its distinctive Berliner format, in order to save money.

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Pseudobabble » Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:58 am

Sam Vara wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:46 am
Its marketing strategy is segmentation
Interestingly, that is the marketing strategy of the left as a whole.
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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by chownah » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:30 am

Pseudobabble wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:58 am
Sam Vara wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:46 am
Its marketing strategy is segmentation
Interestingly, that is the marketing strategy of the left as a whole.
Interestingly, that is the marketing strategy of all politicians as a whole.
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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by robertk » Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:50 am

Bringing this discussion about newspapers back to climate change.
here is an article from 2016 in the Guardian, which predicts that there will be no more arctic ice in summers by january2017 or 2018 ( except in nooks and cranies)

Does anyone know if the ice is all but gone?
https://www.google.com.kw/amp/s/amp.the ... -next-year
Peter Wadhams has spent his career in the Arctic, making more than 50 trips there, some in submarines under the polar ice. He is credited with being one of the first scientists to show that the thick icecap that once covered the Arctic ocean was beginning to thin and shrink. He was director of the Scott Polar Institute in Cambridge from 1987 to 1992 and professor of ocean physics at Cambridge since 2001. His book, A Farewell to Ice, tells the story of his unravelling of this alarming trend and describes what the consequences for our planet will be if Arctic ice continues to disappear at its current rate.

You have said on several occasions that summer Arctic sea ice would disappear by the middle of this decade. It hasn’t. Are you being alarmist?


No. There is a clear trend down to zero for summer cover. However, each year chance events can give a boost to ice cover or take some away. The overall trend is a very strong downward one, however. Most people expect this year will see a record low in the Arctic’s summer sea-ice cover. Next year or the year after that, I think it will be free of ice in summer and by that I mean the central Arctic will be ice-free. You will be able to cross over the north pole by ship. There will still be about a million square kilometres of ice in the Arctic in summer but it will be packed into various nooks and crannies along the Northwest Passage and along bits of the Canadian coastline. Ice-free means the central basin of the Arctic will be ice-free and I think that that is going to happen in summer 2017 or 2018
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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Kim OHara » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:52 am

robertk wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:50 am
Bringing this discussion about newspapers back to climate change.
here is an article from 2016 in the Guardian, which predicts that there will be no more arctic ice in summers by january2017 or 2018 ( except in nooks and cranies)
Sloppy thinking somewhere there - January is arctic winter.
Does anyone know if the ice is all but gone?
NASA knows. I think this is their latest overview https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/20 ... -on-record and chart - https://neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov/csb/index.php?section=234 but there's lots more here - https://neptune.gsfc.nasa.gov/csb/index.php?section=39 :reading: :reading:
The Canadians have been looking at shipping - http://www.enr.gov.nt.ca/en/state-envir ... aufort-sea and they say
Annual commercial use of the Northwest Passage by tug/supply and tourism ships that have icebreaking capacity or that are escorted by icebreakers has been a reality since the 1980s. So far, this type of annual commercial use, in addition to Arctic tourism, is increasing rapidly.

A further increase in shipping, especially for commercial use, is predicted as the open water season extends and Arctic sea ice shrinks (See THE BIG PICTURE: A CHANGING PLANET focal point). How this may occur is still uncertain. The Canadian Ice Service (Environment Canada) warns that predicting a rapid increase in shipping in the Northwest Passage should be done with caution:

“…predictions of an ice-free Arctic may lead many into a false sense of optimism regarding the ease of future shipping. Sea ice is highly variable and there will still be summers of occasional heavy ice conditions. Future navigation in the Northwest Passage may see a blockage of routes by the southern shift in pack ice and an increase in drifting Old Ice creating choke points in narrow channels and navigation hazards...”
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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Kim OHara » Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:53 am

chownah wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 10:30 am
Pseudobabble wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:58 am
Sam Vara wrote:
Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:46 am
Its marketing strategy is segmentation
Interestingly, that is the marketing strategy of the left as a whole.
Interestingly, that is the marketing strategy of all politicians as a whole.
chownah
And retailers as a whole.

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Kim OHara » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:24 am

:focus:

Excellent news!
Germany has signed three agreements with Bangladesh to improve the country's infrastructure and resilience against the impacts of climate change.

The total €337.2 million deal will take the form of both loans and contributions towards a range of projects which support sustainable development. These include €216 million towards climate smart agriculture programmes and modernising the electricity grid network. €90 million will also be spent on helping the country adapt its water supply and resources, especially in the face of increased extreme weather.

€31 million will also go towards renewable energy and energy efficiency programmes, promoting environmental standards across the country, and improved coordination of climate finance. ...
:reading: http://www.climateactionprogramme.org/n ... ate-change

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Re: Changes in attitudes towards global warming

Post by Kim OHara » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:28 am

And even more good news!
More than 200 institutional global investors accounting for more than US26 trillion in funds under management - including AustralianSuper, AMP Capital, Colonial First State and Cbus - recently launched the Climate Action 100+ campaign, which will, from this year, push the world's 100 biggest emitting companies to curb emissions and to boost disclosure around climate change risks.

The campaign aims to make directors accountable for managing climate risk, with investors suggesting they would consider votes against director re-elctions to make their point - as well as with the increasingly-used tool of shareholder resolutions.

Last year saw landmark votes at oil giants ExxonMobil and Occidental, which backed resolutions that demanded the companies disclose more about their climate change risk. Similar resolutions in Australia attracted small votes in favour, but helped bring attention to the issue. ...
:reading: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/ ... 0hljq.html

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