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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by SDC » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:14 pm

lyndon taylor wrote:
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We'll be at war before you know it, Trump is incredibly dangerous.
And so his opponents have been threatening since day one... :shrug:

No offense intended, Lyndon, but at some point people are going to have to stop with these extravagant guarantees about the world under Trump. It was one thing to say it prior to him taking office, but it is a whole other thing now to keep attempting to level it as the reality. He is a wildcard in many respects, but he has not put us any closer to WAR than we already were.

Stick to criticizing him for the wrong that he is actually doing: his divisiveness, unprofessionalism, bigotry, immorality, etc.

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by lyndon taylor » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:05 am

I criticize his followers for their lack of insight, and gullibility
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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by retrofuturist » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:32 am

Greetings SDC,
SDC wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:14 pm
No offense intended, Lyndon, but at some point people are going to have to stop with these extravagant guarantees about the world under Trump. It was one thing to say it prior to him taking office, but it is a whole other thing now to keep attempting to level it as the reality. He is a wildcard in many respects, but he has not put us any closer to WAR than we already were.

Stick to criticizing him for the wrong that he is actually doing: his divisiveness, unprofessionalism, bigotry, immorality, etc.
In time, even these things that you presently see as legitimate grounds for criticism, may come to be seen through a similar lens as you see the rest of the anti-Trump doom-mongering. How much is real, and how much is a projection of a bitter, globalist mainstream media who aren't getting their own way? The lens applied to situations shapes personal perceived reality. (Which, honestly, I think is more the point of the Satipatthana Sutta, than what Vipassana traditions take it to mean).

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by Kim OHara » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:15 am

Justsit wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:04 pm
It seems to me that Trump is attempting to run the government the same way he runs a corporation; he acts like the CEO of America, Inc. rather than a US President. ...
What a serendipitous intro to a fb meme I was already planning to post here!
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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by DooDoot » Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:32 pm

Kim OHara wrote:
Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:15 am
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I doubt Trump would be silly enough to buy shares in Amazon; which shows this allegation is probably false. Amazon is trading on a price earnings ratio of 228, which means earning 0.44% per annum on your investment. Amazon must grow its profit by 13 times to have the same price earnings ratio as Apple (of 17 or 5.88% return on investment per annum). That's a big task, particularly with people such as myself boycotting Amazon, due to their involvement in big brother politics; similar to Facebook. The American stock market is overvalued due to the policies of Obama, where close to zero interest rates allowed the wealthy (and others) to borrow cheap money to buy shares for a 2.5% dividend return and also allowed companies to borrow money to buy back their stock, which increases the share price & positive sentiment. Obama set up an inevitable disaster & Trump's greedy tax cuts will pop the Obama bubble by increasing interest rates causing share prices to fall. Those who have borrowed money to buy shares must liquidate their positions, which causes the market to correct or crash. America is economically sick and can't be saved without pain.

In the mean time, the war mongering mass-media & administrators seem to think the American people are in favour of war.
Trump's furious Situation Room row with his top general is LEAKED: Chairman of joint chiefs reprimanded him on Syria - so the president demanded immediate pull-out

* Trump held a summit in his White House situation room this week on how to get out of Syria - and in an astonishing breach, it has leaked

* President opened the meeting with a tirade about U.S. intervention in Syria and asked what it had gotten for the money and American lives

* He said 'nothing' repeatedly but Associated Press says intensity of Trump's tone and demeanor 'raised eyebrows and unease among the top brass'

* Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, Marine General Joseph Dunford [appointed by Obama] reprimanded Trump saying his approach was 'not productive'

* Trump hit back by demanding immediate withdrawal of all U.S. forces and end to aid efforts and had to be talked down by defense secretary Mattis

* At a separate meeting he watched CIA footage of a terrorist being killed and demanded to know why his family wasn't taken out too


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z5C1fKgGeX

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by DooDoot » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:49 am

Why is Fox New's Tucker Carlson preaching the common sense truth? Does he want to get fired? Did someone somewhere grow a human conscience? :shrug:


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Post by retrofuturist » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:11 am

Greetings DooDoot,

Tucker very often speaks common sense. The prejudice and aversion in some quarters regarding Tucker seems to be primarily due to the network he is on, and his aptitude at highlighting hypocrisy and incongruous perspectives in certain guests.

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Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by pulga » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:01 am

Tucker nailed it.

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by chownah » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:57 pm

Premptive strike:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attorney% ... ,_or_fraud
When the privilege may not apply
When an attorney is not acting primarily as an attorney but, for instance, as a business advisor, member of the Board of Directors, or in another non-legal role, then the privilege generally does not apply.[7].......
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Disclosure in case of a crime, tort, or fraud
The crime-fraud exception can render the privilege moot when communications between an attorney and client are themselves used to further a crime, tort, or fraud. In Clark v. United States, the US Supreme Court stated that "A client who consults an attorney for advice that will serve him in the commission of a fraud will have no help from the law. He must let the truth be told."[8] The crime-fraud exception also does require that the crime or fraud discussed between client and attorney be carried out to be triggered.[9] US Courts have not yet conclusively ruled how little knowledge an attorney can have of the underlying crime or fraud before the privilege detaches and the attorney's communications or requisite testimony become admissible.[10]....
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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by pulga » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:33 pm

Granted that campaign violations are crimes, they happen all the time. I think the DOJ is being too aggressive in its investigation of Cohen, possibly with the intention of baiting Trump to fire Mueller.

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by chownah » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:47 pm

pulga wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:33 pm
Granted that campaign violations are crimes, they happen all the time. I think the DOJ is being too aggressive in its investigation of Cohen, possibly with the intention of baiting Trump to fire Mueller.
Of course you do.
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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by retrofuturist » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:47 am



Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by Sam Vara » Fri May 11, 2018 6:35 am

David Reynolds with a typically incendiary article about Trump.

http://politicallyincorrectdharma.blogs ... rn_10.html

You can read this dispassionately, as another sentient being's thoughts about a topic which affects us all and merits wise consideration. Or, if you prefer, you can treat it as very high-octane fuel for one of your own fires.

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Re: POTUS 2017

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Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 6:35 am
David Reynolds with a typically incendiary article about Trump.

http://politicallyincorrectdharma.blogs ... rn_10.html

You can read this dispassionately, as another sentient being's thoughts about a topic which affects us all and merits wise consideration. Or, if you prefer, you can treat it as very high-octane fuel for one of your own fires.
love it.

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by Pseudobabble » Fri May 11, 2018 1:20 pm

Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 6:35 am
David Reynolds with a typically incendiary article about Trump.

http://politicallyincorrectdharma.blogs ... rn_10.html

You can read this dispassionately, as another sentient being's thoughts about a topic which affects us all and merits wise consideration. Or, if you prefer, you can treat it as very high-octane fuel for one of your own fires.
Very nice.
"Does Master Gotama have any position at all?"

"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origination, such its disappearance; such is perception...such are fabrications...such is consciousness, such its origination, such its disappearance.'" - Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta


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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by Leeuwenhoek2 » Fri May 11, 2018 6:20 pm

Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 6:35 am
David Reynolds with a typically incendiary article about Trump.

http://politicallyincorrectdharma.blogs ... rn_10.html

You can read this dispassionately, as another sentient being's thoughts about a topic which affects us all and merits wise consideration. Or, if you prefer, you can treat it as very high-octane fuel for one of your own fires.
So this typically incendiary article is commented on as:
  • Meriting wise consideration
  • Very nice.
  • Love it
I'm attempting to understand what the beliefs and views are here.
I'm thinking that all three comments may indicate sarcasm or derision.

QUESTION:
Inquiring minds would like to know one or two ideas in this "typically incendiary article" you liked, was nice, merited wise consideration.

My thinking:
The level of anti-Trump criticism is what might be expected from a news media that is staffed to a high degree with persons with contrary viewpoints.

There seem to be major differences in ideas between political left and right in the US about what constitutes constructive protest and behavior on behalf of the "loyal opposition".

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by Sam Vara » Fri May 11, 2018 8:32 pm

Leeuwenhoek2 wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 6:20 pm
Sam Vara wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 6:35 am
David Reynolds with a typically incendiary article about Trump.

http://politicallyincorrectdharma.blogs ... rn_10.html

You can read this dispassionately, as another sentient being's thoughts about a topic which affects us all and merits wise consideration. Or, if you prefer, you can treat it as very high-octane fuel for one of your own fires.
So this typically incendiary article is commented on as:
  • Meriting wise consideration
  • Very nice.
  • Love it
I'm attempting to understand what the beliefs and views are here.
I'm thinking that all three comments may indicate sarcasm or derision.
I can only speak for myself, of course, but my point about wise consideration was not sarcastic or derisory. We can indeed subject the political and media phenomenon of Donald Trump to wise consideration, just as we can any phenomenon that arises in our world. In fact, I would prefer that people take that approach rather than the other I mentioned. The "wise consideration" referred to Trump rather than the article, but of course, the same applies.

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by retrofuturist » Wed May 16, 2018 11:06 pm

Greetings,



Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by Kamran » Sat May 19, 2018 6:07 pm

Hey Paul,

Have you seen this video of Bill Gates meeting with Trump.

Its so funny :)

"Silence gives answers"

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Re: POTUS 2017

Post by DNS » Sun May 20, 2018 4:47 am

Trump will not be impeached. Many Democrats and liberals are hoping to elect a big blue wave this November in the hope of impeaching Trump. It's not going to happen and here it is explained why it won't happen by a progressive/liberal; Bill Maher.



47:35

edit: apparently the video has been removed by youtube. I thought it was uploaded from Bill Maher's own site, but perhaps it was not?

Bill Maher was bashing Trump and of course wants Trump out of the presidency, but he was explaining why it won't happen. Some of the main points were that the Constitution protects him and that it takes 2/3 of Congress to convict him. The Democrats are too wishy-washy to do that and they need several Republican Congressmen to join them in voting for conviction, which isn't going to happen. He of course included some funny comedy into it, but was not praising Trump or wishing him to stay in office, only noting that the reality is that it's not going to happen.

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