Contemporary threats to free speech

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:02 am

I don't know what assumption you are refering to as being inaccurate and your link leads me to a site which says that availability ended two days ago and replay is not possible....or some such....
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by Buddha Vacana » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:10 am

chownah wrote:I don't know what assumption you are refering to as being inaccurate and your link leads me to a site which says that availability ended two days ago and replay is not possible....or some such....
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Yes it does that to me too. But there is a play button that you should be able to hit. Things should get clearer from there

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by cjmacie » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:55 am

Buddha Vacana wrote:
Buddha Vacana wrote:It is remarkable how "free speech" has become an alternative appellation for "extremist/racist/hate speech" these days

<Video and tweet about the Saturday demonstration and counter protest in Boston>

Well to be fair it seems that in this case the assumption was rather inaccurate

<Video of what actually went on in demonstration or rally (or whatever) in that cupola in the center of that park in Boston>

This mistake though, which hasn't been reported much in the media if at all (partly because they were not allowed in the area and bc they don't seem to have done their homework or have failed to correct their mistake), still reveals how strong the association has become.
Is one to understand that this little "rally" was organized by this s/w idiosyncratic would-be politician (Shiva Ayyadurai)? And that's what 15-20K "protestors" came out to protest? Though some media were reporting 40K counter-demonstrators, which further illustrates a point that occurs to me: was anyone at all reporting these situations (Boston, Charlottsville, etc.) at all straight? How does one find out what really is happening?

20,000 protestors (maybe...), ca. 30 gone violent enough to get arrested; 500 riot police (or paramilitary or whatever). Anti Nazi, anti white supremacist, anti KKK, etc. signs, (organized) chanting,... All in response to that Ayyadurai guy launching a campaign to run against Elizabeth Warren? With a bunch of 15-20 rather quiet followers with signs about black-lives-matter, and vs Monsanto (now owned by German Bayer) ?

Is that the best (factual) picture we have of what went on? Is it really just various forms and scales of stunts on all sides? -- pro side, contra side, media side, ... :shrug:

Btw: Has this been reported around here anywhere?

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8 ... =emaildkre

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:20 pm

I saw an article at wikipedia something like "boston free speech rally" and unfortuntely the first thing it said was that it was probably going to be deleted because of their policy....maybe it is gone already. Anyway I read who was supposed to speak and it included about four or five very right figures ...one of them was someone at infowars.com who promoted the pizzagate story during the election that said clinton was running a child abuse ring in the basement of a pizza parlor (remember that one) and one was a white nationalist form new zealand and a couple were "libertarians" associated with far right politics and one of these at least was associated with nazi imagery and flags....and there was v.a. shiva guy...and a media celebrity who went from allegedly being left leaning anarchist to being a trump supporter (typical media celebrity air head). Evidently one of them was asked not to come and some others dropped out.

This is from memory....I think the article is no longer there....someone in the know might be able to get access to it somehow....I don't know.

So what was evidently advertised was laden with right wing people some with white nationalist affiliations and some sort of on the edge I guess but it seems from the video that va shiva was the only one who showed up......it might have been planned. The people shown in the video who showed up are in my view certainly not the kind of people who would have shown up if the original cast of speakers was expected to speak....would people ascerting that black lives do matter show up at a rally featuring white nationalist speaker....doubtful....so.....looks like this is a well planned and managed media event benifitting who?......va shiva it seems obvious....he is running for public office.....as a republican.

He suggests that alot of mainstream politicians (clinton, gore, and more) are racist but I wasn't really convinced. Does anyone want to take the time to analyse exactly what he was saying and whether it is just something quite innocent but posed in a provocative way?

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:31 pm

I found the wikipedia article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Free_Speech_rally

excerpts:
It was intended to feature Kyle Chapman, Joe Biggs, Shiva Ayyadurai, and Samson Racioppi as speakers, although the rally ended before all of the speeches were made.[7][8]
The rally originally advertised speakers including Augustus Sol Invictus, Gavin McInnes, Cassandra Fairbanks, and Joe Biggs.[7] Invictus was asked by rally organizers not to appear "from a PR standpoint," and McInnes and Fairbanks withdrew as speakers.[8]
and from the boston globe:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/20 ... story.html
Three headliners scheduled to speak at a far-right rally in Boston on Saturday backed out Monday, casting doubt on the event amid strong opposition by city officials worried about a repeat of the bloodshed in Charlottesville.

Augustus Invictus, an Orlando activist who took part in the Charlottesville rally, said organizers of Boston’s rally texted him on Monday and said it was necessary to cancel the event “from a PR standpoint,” after the violence in Virginia.

Invictus, who attracted support from white supremacists when he ran for the US Senate as a Libertarian in Florida in 2016, said organizers indicated they were also worried about statements he has made espousing support for a “second American civil war.”
The article goes on to talk about some of the other invited speakers.
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by pulga » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:05 am

The new face of "white supremacy" in America.



San Francisco shuts down 'Patriot Prayer' rally by walling off city park

More on the growing menace of Antifa:

The real threat to our republic is the Orwellian Antifa

Bill O’Reilly Discusses the Orwellian Threat of Antifa


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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:21 am

A humorous yet insightful presentation on the antifa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmpqnxp ... e=youtu.be
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by BasementBuddhist » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:52 pm

I have been on both sides of the board when it comes to Antifacists and Anarcho-communists. Before I found the Dhamma, I was a punk traveler who held very strong anti-capitalist beliefs. I used to vandalize, steal, and drink in the name of tearing down society and the principals espoused by these groups. Many say that they are just a bunch of middle class kids looking to wreck shit. This is true in part, I was a middle class kid, though I wasn't doing it JUST to wreck shit. This is a culture built around an intense feeling of anger, powerlessness, and moral justification.

Having said that, I would argue that it is a HUGE mistake to say that this is all these groups are. There are many groups of anti-facists, and anarcho-comunists and the black flag (The kind who smash things) anarchists have very tightly held political beliefs. The idea that they have no plan or real goal and just like to break things is untrue. There are many plans, and many goals. With as many ideas about what a perfect state looks like as there are people. I know, I lived the dream. These people are not JUST vandals. They are warriors (in there own minds and the minds of some others) fighting a battle against hopeless odds, and they know it.

The problem they have is that to be an anarcho-communist, you have to eschew all forms of organization (other than very very very loose forms) and you look down on leadership by any one person or group. So this immense amount of energy, intelligence, and creativity gets wasted because without leadership, and in a society where there can be no leadership, you end up squabbling over petty nothingness.

Nothing gets done, and everyone stays angry. It is self defeating, hence why I found the dhamma.

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by Will » Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:24 pm

BasementBuddhist wrote:I have been on both sides of the board when it comes to Antifacists and Anarcho-communists. Before I found the Dhamma, I was a punk traveler who held very strong anti-capitalist beliefs. I used to vandalize, steal, and drink in the name of tearing down society and the principals espoused by these groups. Many say that they are just a bunch of middle class kids looking to wreck shit. This is true in part, I was a middle class kid, though I wasn't doing it JUST to wreck shit. This is a culture built around an intense feeling of anger, powerlessness, and moral justification....

Nothing gets done, and everyone stays angry. It is self defeating, hence why I found the dhamma.
Good for you and great that the Dhamma will cut thru 'lives of noisy desperation'!

Whether those in masks and black garb have a plan or plans or none, it comes down to, as you write, "a culture built around an intense feeling of anger, powerlessness, and moral justification." And whence comes these negative feelings? From no attention being paid to any higher, nobler aspect of our mind. If there is no awareness of any part of the human that is beyond sensory feelings and personal cravings, then this spiritual starvation can only lead to the horrid self-chosen & imposed psychic hell of anger, etcetera.
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by Santi253 » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:55 pm

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

The purpose of this topic is to discuss the prevalence of trends, actions, ideologies and policies which are a threat to free speech in the 21st century.

The threats in scope for this discussion are inclusive of threats that arise from all sides of politics, from all ideologies, and from all groups and institutions.

I will share some examples soon, but I wanted to keep specific examples out of the "original post" in order to avoid confusion about the parameters of this topic.

Feel free to get the ball rolling in the meantime...

Metta,
Paul. :)
Under the first amendment of the United States, citizens are protected from government intrusions on free speech.

Free speech protections, however, do not protect the right to incite violence, just like how one cannot scream "fire" into a crowded theater without there being an actual fire.

Furthermore, since services like Twitter and Facebook are owned by private corporations, first amendment protections don't apply to them either.
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by Mr Man » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:46 am

pulga wrote:The new face of "white supremacy" in America.


Here is something on Joey Gibson and Patriot Prayer -

"Joey Gibson and Patriot Prayer: The Westboro Baptist Church of the Alt Right"

http://www.politicalresearch.org/2017/0 ... p49PO.dpbs

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by Buddha Vacana » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:54 am

Why is this not even susprising?

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by DooDoot » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:44 am

David N. Snyder wrote:"Jews will not replace us" ? Replace them where? Jews are only about 1 to 2% of the population and I know I'm generalizing, but somehow I don't think they are competing for the same jobs.
I recall you wrote the following:
Molyneux places Ashkenazi Jews at the top as the most intelligent...Jews hold many higher positions, imo, because of the culture which pushes higher education and worldly success.
To many, these holding many higher positions have not been doing a good job & have been alleged to be working for their self-interests, which is why those holding many higher positions are blamed. You sound surprised about this blame, as though it is related to 'identity' ('racism'; 'antisemitism') rather than to 'kamma' ('behaviour'). If many Buddhists on the internet are lost in 'identity politics', obviously non-Buddhists would get lost in 'identity politics' and start stereotyping & blaming identity groups.
The Rise of the Jewish Policy Elite: Meritocracy, Myth and Power

James Petras is a Bartle Professor (Emeritus) of Sociology at Binghamton University, New York.

Introduction: Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court marks a continuation and deepening of the lopsided ethno-religious representation in the US judicial system. If Garland is appointed, Jewish justices will comprise 45% of the Court, even though they represent less than 2% of the overall population....

We can cite the Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan’s deregulatory policies, which led to the greatest financial crash since the Great Depression and his successor, Benjamin Bernanke, who presided over the trillion-dollar bailout of Wall Street banks while millions of American’s lost their homes. Both attended elite institutions, both secured numerous prestigious awards . . . and both imposed disastrous policies on the American nation and people – with complete impunity for their monumental mistakes, while American workers continue to suffer....

From the Clinton era through the George W. Bush and Obama regimes, the US engaged in a series of wars against predominantly secular governments in Muslim countries, which had been opposed to Israel’s brutal occupation of Palestine. Key policymakers in the design and execution of US war policy were prominent Jews bristling with diplomas from the most prestigious universities....

Jack Lew, Secretary of the Treasury (2013-2016) heads an ethno-Chauvinist quintet dictating US foreign and domestic economic policy (with Michael Froman, Chief Trade Negotiator; ‘Penny’ Pritzer, Secretary of Commerce; Lawrence Summers, Director of National Economic Council and Janet Yellen, head of the Federal Reserve Bank). Lew pushed policies favoring the wealthiest 1% along with his co-religionist Michael Froman, while millions of Americans were plunged into poverty and stagnation....

Conclusion
From our discussion it is clear that there is a profound disparity between the stellar academic achievements of Israel-First officials in the US government and the disastrous consequences of their public policies in office....

The gulf between academic credentials and actual performance extends to economic policy. Neo-liberal policies favoring Wall Street speculators were adopted by such strategic policymakers as Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke and Lawrence Summers. Their ‘leadership’ rendered the country vulnerable to the biggest economic crash since the Great Depression with millions of Americans losing employment and homes. Despite their role in creating the conditions for the crisis, their ’solution’ compounded the disaster by transferring over a trillion dollars from the US Treasury to the investment banks, as a taxpayer-funded bailout of Wall Street. Under their economic leadership, class inequalities have deepened; the financial elite has grown many times richer. Meanwhile, wars in the Middle East have drained the US Treasury of funds, which should have been used to serve the social needs of Americans and finance an economic recovery program through massive domestic investments and repair of our collapsing infrastructure.

The trade policies under the leadership of this ‘meritocratic’ elite – formerly called the ‘Chosen People’ – have been an unmitigated disaster for the majority of industrial workers, resulting in huge trade deficits and the deskilling of low paid service employment – with profound implications for future generations of American workers. It is no longer a secret that an entire generation of working class Americans has descended into poverty with no prospects of escape – except through narcotics and other degradation. On the ‘flip side’ of the ‘winners and losers’, US finance capital has expanded overseas with acquisition and merger fees enriching the 0.1% and the meritocratic officials happily rotating from their Washington offices to Wall Street and back again.

See link for full article: http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/04.16/elite.html

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by DooDoot » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:02 pm

pulga wrote:The new face of "white supremacy" in America.

I don't know anything about these people but this was a good video to listen to. Don't we care about the social issues these people are talking about?

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:35 pm

Yeah, I saw this video before and it seems like it is saying some good things...maybe it is a platform of people who support free speech and some white nationalists want to use it as a way to make people think that they are more moderate than they really are. But, free speech is free speech and even white nationalists should be included in that in my view.

Seem like the video points out that there are people dressed in black who call them selves antifa who are disrupting people's free speech rights and I think that is true....

I don't support white nationalism but I don't see how what the video seems to be is a bad thing.....although a video like this is not a way to judge what they were doing one way or the other.
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P.S. A comment on a previous post: Identity politics dominates all sides of american politics at the moment.
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