Contemporary threats to free speech

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Sat Feb 17, 2018 3:32 am

Do russian citizens have the right to free speech in america?
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by Dhammarakkhito » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:03 am

the right to be wrong
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by Pseudobabble » Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:17 pm

Dhammarakkhito wrote:
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the right to be wrong
And if Right Speech is outlawed? Where does your image leave you then?
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by DooDoot » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:03 pm

Note: I don't particularly like this girl or the group she is part of but believe she has the right to free speech.
The government has banned Canadian right-wing activist and journalist Lauren Southern from Britain, being held at Calais just days after Austrian activist Martin Sellner and author Brittany Pettibone were refused entry at Heathrow.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03 ... uk-terror/
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by pulga » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:23 pm

Leaked Docs Expose Media Matters Conspiring with Facebook & Google to Censor Alternative Media

Sharyl Attkisson has a lot of information on Media Matters in her recent best-seller "The Smear".


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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by alan » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:14 am

Threats to free speech include those in power shutting down investigations, right?
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:47 am

Greetings,

Reject Mayor Sadiq Khan's call for restricting free speech by Tom Rogan.
Mayor of London Sadiq Khan delivered a remarkable speech at the South by Southwest, or SXSW, conference on Monday — remarkable for bad reasons, not good ones. He said that he wants social media companies to crack down on free speech.
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:26 am

The people who benefit by spreading lies and misinformation wrap themselves in the flag of free speech to strengthen their ability to spread lies and misinformation to benefit themselves. If these people ever control the media you can kiss free speech good-bye.
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:32 am

Greetings Chownah,

They already do - except they use the phrase "freedom of the press" instead.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:46 am

Greetings,

YouTube tries to crack down on conspiracy videos
YouTube said the move is part of a broader initiative to crack down on misinformation, though it did not give details on what else is in the works.

While conspiracy videos are nothing new on YouTube, the topic received renewed attention in recent weeks as videos falsely claimed that students speaking out about the Feb. 14 Florida school shooting, which killed 17 people, were "crisis actors" who were not really there when it happened. One such conspiracy video was the top trending video on YouTube until the company removed it — although many similar videos remained up, illustrating the difficulty in instituting any sort of crackdown.

Conspiracy videos, to be sure, are not against YouTube's policies. In the "crisis actor" case, the company said it removed the video because it violated its rules against harassment. As such, YouTube is unlikely to ban misinformation entirely. Instead, it may adopt Facebook's tactic of de-emphasizing such content and making it less likely to be seen.
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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:19 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:32 am
Greetings Chownah,

They already do - except they use the phrase "freedom of the press" instead.

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Metta,
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No they don't....."freedom of the press" is why we know about the people who benefit by spreading lies and misinformation wrapping themselves in the flag of free speech to strengthen their ability to spread lies and misinformation to benefit themselves. If there was no freedom of the press we would not even know about these people.
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by lyndon taylor » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:28 am

chownah wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:19 am
retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:32 am
Greetings Chownah,

They already do - except they use the phrase "freedom of the press" instead.

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Metta,
Paul. :)
No they don't....."freedom of the press" is why we know about the people who benefit by spreading lies and misinformation wrapping themselves in the flag of free speech to strengthen their ability to spread lies and misinformation to benefit themselves. If there was no freedom of the press we would not even know about these people.
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They claim its about protecting freedom of speech when really what they're trying to protect is hate speech and slanderous fake news, hardly indicative of right view.
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by pulga » Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:27 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 3:46 am
Greetings,

YouTube tries to crack down on conspiracy videos

The "top reaction" in the comment section is worth considering:
Aaron wrote:When you have left leaning organizations like Youtube/Google making decisions about what they "feel" warrants censorship, democracy and freedom fail. Twitter admitted to shadow banning conservatives. Facebook brought forth a new "algorithm" that is targeting Conservatives. Youtube is banning Conservatives. Google was caught multiple times giving advantage to the Clinton campaign.

All this, under the "guise" of going after "fake news" and "conspiracies," yet as we've seen over the past year and a half (at least) time and again, it's outlets like CNN, the NYT, WAPO, ms13NBC, and others who repeatedly fabricate and retract fake news stories. Not mention how Yahoo News itself, was used by Christopher Steele's fake dossier, to help the FBI get a warrant to illegal spy on Americans.

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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by chownah » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:44 pm

Is Youtube somehow required to show any video that anyone submits? I think not. I think that youtube can pick and chose any one's they want to show or to not show. This is called "freedom".

Is a movie house free to not show any movie they don't want to show? Why of course they are free to not show any movie that they don't want to show....this is called "freedom".

Does Youtube stop anyone from showing the videos that they don't want to show? I think not. I think that youtube does nothing to inhibit other on line endeavors from showing whatever videos they want. This is called "freedom".

What is this whining about youtube being a business and being free to conduct business the way they want. If these whiners want some video publicly available and youtube won't show it then those whiners should find someone who will or start their own on line video service.

Of course lots of people don't want youtube to be free to conduct their business the way the want to....lots of people don't want freedom....lots of people want to force youtube to show their propoganda....lots of propogandists want to end lots of freedoms.....

It is a totalitarian gov't that tells businesses what they must do. Have people forgotten what freedom is?
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Re: Contemporary threats to free speech

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:07 pm

Greetings Chownah,

So you believe in "freedom of the (organized) press" but not "freedom of the (social) press"...? Interesting. Does this mean that if David and our team start silencing you because we don't like your political leanings then you won't object? No "whining" from Chownah?

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I expect we'll see social media regulated at some point in the near future, to prevent the kind of discrimination that "top reaction" Aaron draws attention to above, and that Dhamma Wheel will have no trouble complying with it.

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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