Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

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Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:50 am

Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by chownah » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:41 am

I could not see anything that indicated that she went to a teacher and spent time actually learning what it means to be in the present moment or to be mindful or how to practice to develop it. Seems like she just read some articles and then focused on her immediate frustrations thinking that this is what being in the moment is all about. Not difficult to see how she would develop the opinion she expresses if that is the approach she took. If she took a different approach it would have been nice if she had talked a bit about that.

I don't think that the article has much appeal for anyone who has gotten some instruction and then carried it out until there was some sort of fruition....so maybe this article will appeal to those who really know nothing about being in the moment and will thus be just another case of the blind leading the blind.
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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by dhammarelax » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:17 am

Lucas Oliveira wrote:Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

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One of the most deep experiences I had was actually not only being in the moment but remembering what just happened before, this way I was able to observe careless attention.

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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by Dinsdale » Sun Dec 04, 2016 1:35 pm

Meh. :tongue:
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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by Lucas Oliveira » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:11 pm

She has written 2 books on the pursuit of inner Happiness and Peace. She must know what she's talking about.

The Pursuit of Happiness: And Why It's Making Us Anxious
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pursuit-Happin ... 0091959152

America the Anxious: How Our Pursuit of Happiness Is Creating a Nation of Nervous Wrecks
https://www.amazon.com/America-Anxious- ... 1250071526
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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by robertk » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:23 am

Lucas Oliveira wrote:She has written 2 books on the pursuit of inner Happiness and Peace. She must know what she's talking about.

The Pursuit of Happiness: And Why It's Making Us Anxious
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pursuit-Happin ... 0091959152

America the Anxious: How Our Pursuit of Happiness Is Creating a Nation of Nervous Wrecks
https://www.amazon.com/America-Anxious- ... 1250071526
Very positive reviews on those books. Anyone read them?

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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by mikenz66 » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:36 am

She makes many of the same points about blaming the unhappy person that have been discussed in previous threads:
Corporate mindfulness is bullsh*t: http://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=24786
Cutting Through the Corporate Mindfulness Hype: http://www.dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?t=26059

I don't think these criticisms would apply to balanced Buddhist mindfulness approaches.
Perhaps the single philosophical consensus of our time is that the key to contentment lies in living fully mentally in the present. The idea that we should be constantly policing our thoughts away from the past, the future, the imagination or the abstract and back to whatever is happening right now has gained traction with spiritual leaders and investment bankers, armchair philosophers and government bureaucrats and human resources departments. Corporate America offers its employees mindfulness training to “streamline their productivity,” and the United States military offers it to the Marine Corps. Americans now spend an estimated $4 billion each year on “mindfulness products.” “Living in the Moment” has monetized its folksy charm into a multibillion-dollar spiritual industrial complex.
Though one does sometimes see vestiges of this shaming idea that if you're upset it's your fault, on this board, and elsewhere...
But still, the advice to be more mindful often contains a hefty scoop of moralizing smugness, a kind of “moment-shaming” for the distractible, like a stern teacher scolding us for failing to concentrate in class. The implication is that by neglecting to live in the moment we are ungrateful and unspontaneous, we are wasting our lives, and therefore if we are unhappy, we really have only ourselves to blame.
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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by chownah » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:44 am

Lucas Oliveira wrote:She has written 2 books on the pursuit of inner Happiness and Peace. She must know what she's talking about.

The Pursuit of Happiness: And Why It's Making Us Anxious
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pursuit-Happin ... 0091959152

America the Anxious: How Our Pursuit of Happiness Is Creating a Nation of Nervous Wrecks
https://www.amazon.com/America-Anxious- ... 1250071526
Hitler wrote two books so he must know what he was talking about? Should we take hitler's message to heart?

My point is that writing two books doesn't really say much about a person's abilities or insights.
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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by chownah » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:53 am

mikenz66 wrote:She makes many of the same points about blaming the unhappy person that have been discussed in previous threads:
Blaming the victim is certainly a mistake...too bad she didn't just confront that problem head on. As it is it seems she has thrown the baby out with the bath water in that she seems to be rejecting being in the moment when she should be just rejecting the blaming.

On the other hand she probably got paid to write the article and it probably increased her book sales.
Hard for me to see that the article is beneficial for anyone other than the author but perhaps those people who feel blamed will start to see the light.....if they take the article to light those people who feel blamed will probaby just throw the baby out too.......I guess....don't know for sure.....
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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by pegembara » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:27 am

So perhaps, rather than expending our energy struggling to stay in the Moment, we should simply be grateful that our brains allow us to be elsewhere.
Our minds allow us to dwell in the past or future but if doing so causes much fear, regret and worry, the best plan is to stop dwelling there and come back to the present rather than wasting our energy elsewhere.

Don't just sit there. Do something now!
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Re: Actually, Let’s Not Be in the Moment

Post by puppha » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:49 am

I think the issue with the article is that the author implicitly assumes that the goal of practising mindfulness is to make you happier. Then when you realised you haven't achieved happiness, you think that this mindfulness thing is rubbish.

The goal of practising mindfulness is to see things as they are (i.e. the 4 Noble Truths), not to make you happy. Your happiness may increase, but that's a byproduct.

I can't remember any sutta where the Buddha said that practising mindfulness makes you happier in a direct way. It does indirectly, by helping you reaching liberation.

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