POTUS 2020, part 1

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by robertk » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:48 am

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comme ... reat-again

Trump just might make us put on our big-boy pants and make Canada great again

Canada has a sense of entitlement that Trump, in his undiplomatic way, is exposing. His plan to renegotiate NAFTA — and to walk away from it if the renegotiation didn’t serve America’s interests — was widely met in Canada with indignation and outrage, as if we had an entitlement to the U.S. market. True to form, we also responded with praise for the glories of free trade and contempt for America’s backward turn to protectionism. Yet Canada remains one of the West’s great bastions of protectionism, barring foreign ownership of banking and other major sectors and unable to achieve even internal free trade among our provinces, despite 150 years of trying. The provinces themselves don’t accept the provisions of NAFTA, cannot be bound by them and haven’t honoured them.

Until Trump began a rescue of our energy sector by approving the Keystone XL pipeline, the federal and provincial governments were so inward looking, and so beholden to provincial politics, that they couldn’t even muster the courage to proceed with much-needed pipelines to either the Atlantic or Pacific that would allow Alberta oil to flow to European and Asian markets.

Canada wasn’t always a snowflake country. In the previous century, we were far more self-reliant — economically successful, despite the American protectionism that we then faced, and confidently entering both world wars long before the Americans. We wore big-boy pants then. So did our farmers. Trump may force us to wear them again.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by pulga » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:31 pm

Obama’s $400,000 Cantor Speech Makes Him Wall Street's Newest Fat Cat
“Democrats are lacking so much leadership that they aren’t going to be upset with this,” he said. “They have no heroes anymore, and [Obama] was their last great hero, so how can they turn on him even though he is being a bit of a hypocrite?”
Little wonder that he's backing Macron in the French election.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Mon May 08, 2017 2:56 pm

I mentioned data mining and artificial intelligence in a previous post and commented on how if it wasn't being used in trump's campaign I would be surprised (or something like that)....well....read about Cambridge Analytica.....a company that mines personal data and from that data constructs strategies tailored to unique individuals to manipulate their emotional state to either vote one way or the other or to not vote at all.....they can even pick out the portion of the population which exhibit neurotic tendencies making them easy to manipulate......they also have voting profiles on these same individuals and can collate this with the other personal data.

Oh, and by the way, steve bannon was a vice president of cambridge analytica at one point and cambridge analytica was used in the trump campaign (bannon was not employed by cambridge analyatica at that time)......and.....the same person (Robert Mercer) was the owner of breitbart news[EDIT: I DEFINITELY MADE A MISTAKE AND MERCER DID NOT OWN BREITBART NEWS BUT HE DONATED HEAVILY TO IT AND ALSO TO THE BREXIT CAMPAIGN AND TO TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN]......it's a small world isn't it....
https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/ ... -democracy
Just think how it will be in the next election when there will be even more data about individuals as more and more of our personal info gets put on line by our growing intertwinement with the internet and think just how much more powerful artificial intelligence will be and how much more capable it will be in identifying the weakness of individual voters and crafting just the right message to trigger them especially since the AI systems are presently learning how to teach themselves and they have got a few years to train themselves, try strategies, and analyse their effectivenesses.....and....they have got the 2018 congressional elections as an invivo trial......

Should this be of concern? Is this just a paranoid fantasy? Just look at the president and how he campaigned in 2016.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Mr Man » Mon May 08, 2017 5:44 pm

Hi Chownah
Couldn't work out if you link linked to the Guardian article. If it didn't here it is: The great British Brexit robbery: how our democracy was hijacked
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -democracy

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Sun May 14, 2017 3:08 pm

Another aspect of societal changes which are coming with advances in technology and artificial intelligence:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/05/14 ... -the-cloud
But the system is also very Big Brother -- an AI is monitoring people and equipment in a workplace in realtime at all times, and all the data ends up being processed in the Microsoft Cloud.
This assumes there will be people in a workplace I guess.

Hard to tell a factory owner that they can not do this but is such a good idea it seems likely that alot of people will want to extend it beyond the workplace....no problem in that is there? Is there a right to privacy? There used to be but it is gradually eroding away I think. Should this be part of your political discussions with prospective candidates for potus 2020?....what....you are not having any such discussions?...oh well....it probaby won't be a problem anyway.....
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by dylanj » Sun May 14, 2017 5:40 pm

Anyone who has the potential to become the actual candidate is in my opinion guaranteed to be a horrible option. I have no hope for American politics until Americans start caring about imperialism.

Even Bernie Sanders has been a long-time supporter of dropping American bombs on foreign civilians for the sake of economic & diplomatic gain for the USG.
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Wed May 24, 2017 3:20 am

Google recently had (maybe is still having) its yearly get together to discuss its directions and what's new: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/importan ... 08370.html
The talking head in the video (david pogue) reported that google said that they are dedicating the entire company to artificial intelligence.
From the summary of the article:
Overall, it’s clear that artificial intelligence and machine learning are indeed becoming Google’s new focus. Maybe next year, they should call the conference Google A/I.
Do you think that things are going to happen quickly now in AI? Maybe it is time to start considering what sort of issues our wonderful politicians are going to grapple with....you know, like trump bringing all the jobs back from overseas when in fact the jobs he's trying to bring back are not viable in the real world because of the arise of technology and artificial intelligence. Is this how you want your fine politicians to deal with the world in the future?....by not having a clue about what is really happening...or perhaps they do have a clue but they are using it to locate voters who are somewhat confused about what is happening in the world and then using it to find ways to prey on their uncertainties. This is not distopian nonsense....this is what is already really happening and those who are already doing it will just get better and better at it as time goes on and they get better at manipulation and technological advances further enable them.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:06 pm

Maybe I have over estimated the social disruption which robotics will bring. This article seems to indicate that jobs will be no problem:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/09/hear- ... -robotics/
From the article:
Everyone knows that there are not enough robotics engineers to go around, and the demand will only increase.
So, I guess there is not a problem. All those existing retail workers and truck drivers just need to re-train and all those people who sleep through highschool and would normally get jobs as retail workers and truck drivers can just go to university and grad school and get jobs as robotics engineers instead.....what a simple solution to what I thought was a difficult problem!!!....????.

No problem.......problem solved.....and here I was worried about how they would find jobs.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Buddha Vacana » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:52 pm

FOX NEWS POLL: Bernie Sanders remains the most popular politician in the US

Nothing new but it seemed to me that remained a little under the radar.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by pulga » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:56 pm

Buddha Vacana wrote:FOX NEWS POLL: Bernie Sanders remains the most popular politician in the US

Nothing new but it seemed to me that remained a little under the radar.
This poll dates back to March, before Sanders got embroiled in scandal. It is worth noting that it was during the Obama Administration that the investigation was initiated.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Buddha Vacana » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:12 pm

pulga wrote:
Buddha Vacana wrote:FOX NEWS POLL: Bernie Sanders remains the most popular politician in the US

Nothing new but it seemed to me that remained a little under the radar.
This poll dates back to March, before Sanders got embroiled in scandal. It is worth noting that it was during the Obama Administration that the investigation was initiated.
Interesting.
This is where rightwingers meet the corrupt liberals they keep criticizing all the time for being dishonest. Unless it temporarily floats their boat. But I am afraid this is only wishful thinking.

It looks very much like a smear campaign precisely because Sanders addresses the real needs of the people and is therefore a threat to both Republicans (pretty much all of them) and the corrupt among the Democrats (majority of them) who keep serving empty talk to the people.

This is not about M. Sanders but his wife, and they claim she hasn't even done anything wrong, much like what is happening to 45, except M. & Ms Sanders have incomparably more credibility. The investigation will reveal what's what but in the mean time they hope to undermine his reputation. As we say in my language, "Slander, some of it will always remain (in people's thoughts)".

Also, your assumption that the people have significantly bought into that smear campaign is not in tune with recent data:

Poll Confirms Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in the Country

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:52 pm

I am back to rant a bit more about AI and automation.

IN this article:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/17/ ... ler-robots

...it is reported that:
Tesla boss Elon Musk is among a group of 116 founders of robotics and artificial intelligence companies who are calling on the United Nations to ban autonomous weapons.
My concern is that isn't an autonomous car an autonomous weapon?....so isn't he asking for a ban on Tesla itself?

Other than this.....what should your candidate in 2020 have to say about banning or using autonomous weapons?
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:49 pm

Many nations, especially rogue nations don't follow UN resolutions, they just ignore them. A lot of us here might not see it, since we're too old, but for those 20 years old or younger, it is possible that they'll see a Star Wars type global war in their lifetime, with much more sophisticated and larger drones, robots, all kinds of AI and automation; the worst part being the "winner" will be the side with the most money or the greatest technology, not necessarily the one who is morally "right" (if there is even a "good" side). Considering the exponential growth in technology, it's probably inevitable and bound to be used one day.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Disciple » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:59 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Many nations, especially rogue nations don't follow UN resolutions, they just ignore them. A lot of us here might not see it, since we're too old, but for those 20 years old or younger, it is possible that they'll see a Star Wars type global war in their lifetime, with much more sophisticated and larger drones, robots, all kinds of AI and automation; the worst part being the "winner" will be the side with the most money or the greatest technology, not necessarily the one who is morally "right" (if there is even a "good" side). Considering the exponential growth in technology, it's probably inevitable and bound to be used one day.
Right now the states have the best technology but I see china catching up fast and surpassing.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:07 am

An example of how close we are to autonomous weapons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU
All that is need is an AI to drive it.
Seems like an AI to drive a quadcopter would be easier than one to drive a car....no lanes that you must stay in and no pedestrians to watch out for.....seems alot easier.....really.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:25 pm

You often hear people in the know saying how AI and automation technology will not eliminate a whole bunch of jobs that require people skills....teachers, nurses, etc.

But wait a minute......it looks like maybe the AI driven nanny has already arrived and is about to be marketed:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/10/04 ... y-about-it
Mattel has a new kid-focused smart hub called Aristotle, which can switch on a night light if it hears a baby crying to soothe the child (Warning: source may be paywalled; alternative source). The device is also designed to keep changing its activities, even to the point where it can help a preteen with homework, learning about the child along the way.
I think it is important to note that this is saying that the device will be being constantly upgraded as AI advances. AI is advancing at such a fast pace that by the time your baby is a teen AI will probalby be able to pass as a human assistant....or a friend....maybe even a trusted friend...maybe it will be more trusted than you. So here you have not only the beginning of a care giving AI for infants but also the ground work for a constantly evolving AI "friend" which will acompany you child throughout its life. Will it advise your child about morality? Will it exert influences on who is chosen as a life partner? And if so then who will program this morality and all the other intimate advise?

Some people are already thinking it should be banned. You won't even have to wait for the 2020 election cycle to fire up (probably pretty soon anyway) as this is something you might want to check in on with your present gov'tal representatives as well aspiring candidates. Maybe the future is here already.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Mon Oct 09, 2017 2:06 am

People are getting really smug because latest poles show that only 32% of voters presently support trump BUT I think they must have forgotten that only 26% of voters is how many voted for him in the national election. If that 32% of voters vote for him in 2020 then it looks like he is a shoe-in to be elected again.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:33 am

More news on the AI front.....don't you think that it would be good to bring this sort of thing up in your discussions with you gov'tal represenatives?

This time it is about an AI system which CREATES OTHER AI SYSTEMS...and it is making AI systems that are BETTER than those made by humans.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/12/0 ... -by-humans

Do you think that this might have an impact on society? Do you think that we should consider what this might mean for the future?.....or should we just ignore it and hope for the best to only one day wake up to....to what?
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:04 am

More news on the AI front.
The people at google's AI research dept. have developed a new computer called Alphazero. It is a descendant of the compter program which consistently beat the worlds best Go players.

It is extremely important to note the improvement: Alphazero is not programmed to play any game. It was programmed to take rules for play...any rules at all...and then to play games against itself to learn how to play the game. It had been noted with the Go computer that humans had to teach the computer how to play so you could really think of it being human intelligence being transfered to a computer.....but with alphago there is no human training....alphago teaches itself how to play.

The results:
After eight hours of self-play, the program bested the AI that first beat the human world Go champion; and after four hours of training, it beat the current world champion chess-playing program, Stockfish. Then for a victory lap, it trained for just two hours and polished off one of the world's best shogi-playing programs named Elmo (shogi being a Japanese version of chess that's played on a bigger board).
What many people might not see at first is that this kind of ability is not restricted to games. Any problem or situation which can be defined in terms of rules of interaction and outcomes could be addressed with this approach. This could be applied to everything from dating to warfare to politics to industrial processes to infrastructure development.

I think that this will have a big impact on society, politics, etc. Do you think it is trivial? Do you think "well that's pretty good but if this is the pinnacle of AI then I"m not concerned"........news for you: this is not the piccacle.....this is only the beginning....the very beginning. It took decades to develop the computers which could win at chess and Go and which required huge human inputs for programming in order to be able to win.... Now one team of researchers in a year or two have developed a computer which is better than those and which can teach itself to be better than those starting with no knowldege except for the rules to be better in a matter of hours.

This is massive.

Maybe it would be good to start thinking about this and what all it implies....maybe you should try to get your representative (or would be representative) to start thinking about this and sharing their ideas with you......or maybe it would be better to just ignore it and wait for the disruption so that you can complain about it then.
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I forgot to mention that this computer is (I'm pretty sure although I haven't verified this) is a silicon based digital computer...a very powerful one of course....but do be informed that researchers developing quantum computers are on the verge of creating practical usable quantum computers. In these computers the number of qubits is an indication of their power. Two years ago or so the number of qubits they could assemble was so low that regular silicon based digital computers existed which were way more powerful (the quantum computers were not practical for anything)....but now the number of qubits about at the level where quantum computers as powerful as the most powerful digital computers are possible.....AND....the important thing is that there is no indication that the number of qubits is limited to present abilities. Every indication is that soon there will be quantum computer (soon meaning years, not decades) that are 1000 times more powerful OR MORE....
So........match up the advances in AI as described above with computers that are several orders of magnitude more powerful.....and Putin's claim that whoever masters AI first will control the world (or something similar I'm not sure exactly his words).....don't you think it would be good to give these issues a bit more consideration?
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Mkoll » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:57 am

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but it's a great article, more about the circumstances leading to Trump than the man himself. Worth reading whatever side of the aisle you lean more toward.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017 ... ump-beyond
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