POTUS 2020, part 1

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by robertk » Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:48 am

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comme ... reat-again

Trump just might make us put on our big-boy pants and make Canada great again

Canada has a sense of entitlement that Trump, in his undiplomatic way, is exposing. His plan to renegotiate NAFTA — and to walk away from it if the renegotiation didn’t serve America’s interests — was widely met in Canada with indignation and outrage, as if we had an entitlement to the U.S. market. True to form, we also responded with praise for the glories of free trade and contempt for America’s backward turn to protectionism. Yet Canada remains one of the West’s great bastions of protectionism, barring foreign ownership of banking and other major sectors and unable to achieve even internal free trade among our provinces, despite 150 years of trying. The provinces themselves don’t accept the provisions of NAFTA, cannot be bound by them and haven’t honoured them.

Until Trump began a rescue of our energy sector by approving the Keystone XL pipeline, the federal and provincial governments were so inward looking, and so beholden to provincial politics, that they couldn’t even muster the courage to proceed with much-needed pipelines to either the Atlantic or Pacific that would allow Alberta oil to flow to European and Asian markets.

Canada wasn’t always a snowflake country. In the previous century, we were far more self-reliant — economically successful, despite the American protectionism that we then faced, and confidently entering both world wars long before the Americans. We wore big-boy pants then. So did our farmers. Trump may force us to wear them again.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by pulga » Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:31 pm

Obama’s $400,000 Cantor Speech Makes Him Wall Street's Newest Fat Cat
“Democrats are lacking so much leadership that they aren’t going to be upset with this,” he said. “They have no heroes anymore, and [Obama] was their last great hero, so how can they turn on him even though he is being a bit of a hypocrite?”
Little wonder that he's backing Macron in the French election.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Mon May 08, 2017 2:56 pm

I mentioned data mining and artificial intelligence in a previous post and commented on how if it wasn't being used in trump's campaign I would be surprised (or something like that)....well....read about Cambridge Analytica.....a company that mines personal data and from that data constructs strategies tailored to unique individuals to manipulate their emotional state to either vote one way or the other or to not vote at all.....they can even pick out the portion of the population which exhibit neurotic tendencies making them easy to manipulate......they also have voting profiles on these same individuals and can collate this with the other personal data.

Oh, and by the way, steve bannon was a vice president of cambridge analytica at one point and cambridge analytica was used in the trump campaign (bannon was not employed by cambridge analyatica at that time)......and.....the same person (Robert Mercer) was the owner of breitbart news[EDIT: I DEFINITELY MADE A MISTAKE AND MERCER DID NOT OWN BREITBART NEWS BUT HE DONATED HEAVILY TO IT AND ALSO TO THE BREXIT CAMPAIGN AND TO TRUMP'S CAMPAIGN]......it's a small world isn't it....
https://politics.slashdot.org/story/17/ ... -democracy
Just think how it will be in the next election when there will be even more data about individuals as more and more of our personal info gets put on line by our growing intertwinement with the internet and think just how much more powerful artificial intelligence will be and how much more capable it will be in identifying the weakness of individual voters and crafting just the right message to trigger them especially since the AI systems are presently learning how to teach themselves and they have got a few years to train themselves, try strategies, and analyse their effectivenesses.....and....they have got the 2018 congressional elections as an invivo trial......

Should this be of concern? Is this just a paranoid fantasy? Just look at the president and how he campaigned in 2016.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Mr Man » Mon May 08, 2017 5:44 pm

Hi Chownah
Couldn't work out if you link linked to the Guardian article. If it didn't here it is: The great British Brexit robbery: how our democracy was hijacked
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -democracy

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Sun May 14, 2017 3:08 pm

Another aspect of societal changes which are coming with advances in technology and artificial intelligence:
https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/05/14 ... -the-cloud
But the system is also very Big Brother -- an AI is monitoring people and equipment in a workplace in realtime at all times, and all the data ends up being processed in the Microsoft Cloud.
This assumes there will be people in a workplace I guess.

Hard to tell a factory owner that they can not do this but is such a good idea it seems likely that alot of people will want to extend it beyond the workplace....no problem in that is there? Is there a right to privacy? There used to be but it is gradually eroding away I think. Should this be part of your political discussions with prospective candidates for potus 2020?....what....you are not having any such discussions?...oh well....it probaby won't be a problem anyway.....
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by dylanj » Sun May 14, 2017 5:40 pm

Anyone who has the potential to become the actual candidate is in my opinion guaranteed to be a horrible option. I have no hope for American politics until Americans start caring about imperialism.

Even Bernie Sanders has been a long-time supporter of dropping American bombs on foreign civilians for the sake of economic & diplomatic gain for the USG.
susukhaṁ vata nibbānaṁ,
sammā­sambud­dha­desitaṁ;
asokaṁ virajaṁ khemaṁ,
yattha dukkhaṁ nirujjhatī


Oh! extinction is so very blissful,
As taught by the One Rightly Self-Awakened:
Sorrowless, stainless, secure;
Where suffering all ceases


etaṁ santaṁ etaṁ paṇītaṁ yadidaṁ sabbasaṅkhārasamatho sabbūpadhipaṭi nissaggo taṇhakkhayo virāgo nirodho nibbānaṁ

This is peaceful, this is excellent, that is: the stilling of all preparations, the relinquishment of all attachments, the destruction of craving, detachment, cessation, extinction.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Wed May 24, 2017 3:20 am

Google recently had (maybe is still having) its yearly get together to discuss its directions and what's new: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/importan ... 08370.html
The talking head in the video (david pogue) reported that google said that they are dedicating the entire company to artificial intelligence.
From the summary of the article:
Overall, it’s clear that artificial intelligence and machine learning are indeed becoming Google’s new focus. Maybe next year, they should call the conference Google A/I.
Do you think that things are going to happen quickly now in AI? Maybe it is time to start considering what sort of issues our wonderful politicians are going to grapple with....you know, like trump bringing all the jobs back from overseas when in fact the jobs he's trying to bring back are not viable in the real world because of the arise of technology and artificial intelligence. Is this how you want your fine politicians to deal with the world in the future?....by not having a clue about what is really happening...or perhaps they do have a clue but they are using it to locate voters who are somewhat confused about what is happening in the world and then using it to find ways to prey on their uncertainties. This is not distopian nonsense....this is what is already really happening and those who are already doing it will just get better and better at it as time goes on and they get better at manipulation and technological advances further enable them.
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:06 pm

Maybe I have over estimated the social disruption which robotics will bring. This article seems to indicate that jobs will be no problem:
https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/09/hear- ... -robotics/
From the article:
Everyone knows that there are not enough robotics engineers to go around, and the demand will only increase.
So, I guess there is not a problem. All those existing retail workers and truck drivers just need to re-train and all those people who sleep through highschool and would normally get jobs as retail workers and truck drivers can just go to university and grad school and get jobs as robotics engineers instead.....what a simple solution to what I thought was a difficult problem!!!....????.

No problem.......problem solved.....and here I was worried about how they would find jobs.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Buddha Vacana » Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:52 pm

FOX NEWS POLL: Bernie Sanders remains the most popular politician in the US

Nothing new but it seemed to me that remained a little under the radar.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by pulga » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:56 pm

Buddha Vacana wrote:FOX NEWS POLL: Bernie Sanders remains the most popular politician in the US

Nothing new but it seemed to me that remained a little under the radar.
This poll dates back to March, before Sanders got embroiled in scandal. It is worth noting that it was during the Obama Administration that the investigation was initiated.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Buddha Vacana » Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:12 pm

pulga wrote:
Buddha Vacana wrote:FOX NEWS POLL: Bernie Sanders remains the most popular politician in the US

Nothing new but it seemed to me that remained a little under the radar.
This poll dates back to March, before Sanders got embroiled in scandal. It is worth noting that it was during the Obama Administration that the investigation was initiated.
Interesting.
This is where rightwingers meet the corrupt liberals they keep criticizing all the time for being dishonest. Unless it temporarily floats their boat. But I am afraid this is only wishful thinking.

It looks very much like a smear campaign precisely because Sanders addresses the real needs of the people and is therefore a threat to both Republicans (pretty much all of them) and the corrupt among the Democrats (majority of them) who keep serving empty talk to the people.

This is not about M. Sanders but his wife, and they claim she hasn't even done anything wrong, much like what is happening to 45, except M. & Ms Sanders have incomparably more credibility. The investigation will reveal what's what but in the mean time they hope to undermine his reputation. As we say in my language, "Slander, some of it will always remain (in people's thoughts)".

Also, your assumption that the people have significantly bought into that smear campaign is not in tune with recent data:

Poll Confirms Bernie Sanders Is the Most Popular Politician in the Country

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:52 pm

I am back to rant a bit more about AI and automation.

IN this article:
https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/17/ ... ler-robots

...it is reported that:
Tesla boss Elon Musk is among a group of 116 founders of robotics and artificial intelligence companies who are calling on the United Nations to ban autonomous weapons.
My concern is that isn't an autonomous car an autonomous weapon?....so isn't he asking for a ban on Tesla itself?

Other than this.....what should your candidate in 2020 have to say about banning or using autonomous weapons?
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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by DNS » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:49 pm

Many nations, especially rogue nations don't follow UN resolutions, they just ignore them. A lot of us here might not see it, since we're too old, but for those 20 years old or younger, it is possible that they'll see a Star Wars type global war in their lifetime, with much more sophisticated and larger drones, robots, all kinds of AI and automation; the worst part being the "winner" will be the side with the most money or the greatest technology, not necessarily the one who is morally "right" (if there is even a "good" side). Considering the exponential growth in technology, it's probably inevitable and bound to be used one day.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by Disciple » Mon Aug 21, 2017 5:59 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Many nations, especially rogue nations don't follow UN resolutions, they just ignore them. A lot of us here might not see it, since we're too old, but for those 20 years old or younger, it is possible that they'll see a Star Wars type global war in their lifetime, with much more sophisticated and larger drones, robots, all kinds of AI and automation; the worst part being the "winner" will be the side with the most money or the greatest technology, not necessarily the one who is morally "right" (if there is even a "good" side). Considering the exponential growth in technology, it's probably inevitable and bound to be used one day.
Right now the states have the best technology but I see china catching up fast and surpassing.

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Re: POTUS 2020, part 1

Post by chownah » Tue Aug 22, 2017 4:07 am

An example of how close we are to autonomous weapons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU
All that is need is an AI to drive it.
Seems like an AI to drive a quadcopter would be easier than one to drive a car....no lanes that you must stay in and no pedestrians to watch out for.....seems alot easier.....really.
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