Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

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Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by No_Mind » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:38 pm

Congratulations Bob Dylan for Nobel Prize in Literature. You have been a friend, philosopher and guide to many of us through your songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G58XWF6B3AA

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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by Crazy cloud » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:25 pm

One more cup of coffee before I go .. :anjali:

If you didn't care
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you

We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain

Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
- Roger Waters

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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by chownah » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:51 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qQyATl_CrE
The Ballad of Hollis Brown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ol_W8hyHaE
North Country Blues

Early dylan.....the kind of songs that inspired the '60's activists.
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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by chownah » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:16 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjpUTlbhCFw
Donovan and dylan singing at an impromptu gathering probably in a hotel room or someone's private residence. Donovan is first up with "To Sing for You" followed by dylan with "It's All Over Now Baby Blue".

Both are great musicians. A musicologist could write an interesting paper on the similarities and the differences between the music presented at this gathering. Donovan's song is an excellent rendition of the folk sound popular at the time with lyrical melodies commonly found then....while dylan's song was for many people of the times considered to me a-melodic and hardly recognizable as music at the time.

I brought this example and wrote about it so that people who were not around or not interested at the time could see by the contrast of the two styles how dylan was a very unique phenomena both for his musical style and the poetics of his lyrics.
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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by mikenz66 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:48 pm

chownah wrote: Both are great musicians. A musicologist could write an interesting paper on the similarities and the differences between the music presented at this gathering. Donovan's song is an excellent rendition of the folk sound popular at the time with lyrical melodies commonly found then....while dylan's song was for many people of the times considered to me a-melodic and hardly recognizable as music at the time.
Thanks for posting that. With hindsight it's crystal clear that Dylan had long outgrown the genre in which he become famous. Excellent renditions of folk songs was definitely not what Bob was aiming for. Donavan looks painfully aware of that...
Leave your stepping stones behind, something calls for you
Forget the dead you’ve left, they will not follow you
The vagabond who’s rapping at your door
Is standing in the clothes that you once wore
Strike another match, go start anew
And it’s all over now, Baby Blue
Joan Baez toured here last year, and, surprisingly to me, led a singalong of this song. It reduces me to tears at the best of times...

Congratulations Bob...

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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by Mr Man » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:30 pm

Even the president of the United States sometimes must have to stand naked

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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by rowboat » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:03 am



Two Legends Together: A Young Bob Dylan Talks and Plays on The Studs Terkel Program, 1963
Rain soddens what is covered up,
It does not sodden what is open.
Therefore uncover what is covered
That the rain will not sodden it.
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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by SDC » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:28 am

"Take me disappearing through the smoke rings of my mind
Down the foggy ruins of time
Far past the frozen leaves
The haunted frightened trees
Out to the windy bench
Far from the twisted reach of crazy sorrow
Yes, to dance beneath the diamond sky
With one hand waving free
Silhouetted by the sea
Circled by the circus sands
With all memory and fate
Driven deep beneath the waves
Let me forget about today until tomorrow"
- Mr. Tambourine Man

This verse was a protective spell in the winter of 2004 when I was living alone in the boondocks hundreds of miles from a familiar face. I "got" him at just the right time.

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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by No_Mind » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:20 pm

Nobel Committee has been unable to reach Dylan thus far,

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/18/enter ... rize-trnd/
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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by chownah » Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:52 pm

"Don't send me no nobel prize no
Not unless you mail it
From Desolation Row. "
paraphrased Dylan....based on Desolation Row

I would say from dylan's lyrics across a wide sampling of his varied works that he is probably not really in awe of the nobel prize in general. If he ever comments I think it will be polite though. It would be interesting if he wrote a song about or included it in some verse of some song with a wider scope.

If I won a nobel prize in organic farming I know I am so involved in actually doing the organic farming that I would not want to take time off to travel across the world to collect some trophy....the money would be nice but I think that for dylan it is immaterial as I think he is already financially overflowing....
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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by chownah » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:06 pm

Leonard Cohen said giving Dylan the Nobel Prize “is like pinning a medal on Mount Everest for being the highest mountain”
From the article "Kurt Vonnegut in 1991: “Bob Dylan Is the Worst Poet Alive”" from:
http://pitchfork.com/news/69151-kurt-vo ... oet-alive/
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Post by chownah » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:59 am

From the wikipedia article on alfred nobel (the originator of the nobel prize) under the topic of "criticism":
Criticism of Nobel focuses on his leading role in weapons manufacturing and sales, and some question his motives in creating his prizes, suggesting they were intended to improve his reputation.
From Masters of War by bob dylan:
Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks
and also:
Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul
Video of Masters of War:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ADrCw6LdLw

Seems likely that dylan would not be too enthused about receiving the medal and the money from the nobel instutute.
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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by Bundokji » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:04 pm

And the Blessed One addressed the bhikkhus, saying: "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

This was the last word of the Tathagata.

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Re: Bob Dylan awarded Nobel Prize in Literature

Post by Javi » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:53 am

How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man ?
How many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand ?
Yes, how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned ?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

Yes, how many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea ?
Yes, how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free ?
Yes, how many times can a man turn his head
Pretending he just doesn't see ?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

Yes, how many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky ?
Yes, how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry ?
Yes, how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died ?
The answer my friend is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.
I have to say a lot of Dylan's songs have a whiff of Dhamma about them
Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta

Self-taught poverty is a help toward philosophy, for the things which philosophy attempts to teach by reasoning, poverty forces us to practice. — Diogenes of Sinope

I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14

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