It's an argument I hear from people who believe the west is too soft in dealing with the threat of Muslim jihadists.chownah wrote:This sounds like "peace in our time"....you will placate the extreme right today so as to avoid their wrath and in so doing you will promulgate a prejudicial anti-muslim law which will almost assuredly lead to a stronger anti-french extremism. And get this, you are destroying freedom in the process.Dan74 wrote:
While I agree that in an ideal world's everybody would be free to wear what they want, my impression is that if mainstream parties adopted this line in the current climate in France it would play into the hands of the extreme right and further inflame tensions.
I can think of only one solution to this problem....ban all clothing from all beaches in france....actually their may be a second way....requiring everyone to wear burkinis at the beach.
Again for my part I would everyone wear what they like and while people are free to discuss what constitutes good manners, appropriate etc the state has no business legislating. This is in my utopia.
In reality there are other concerns. The burkini law is history and was more symbolic than anything from what I've read.
It is clear that in France and elsewhere in Europe many Muslims have neither assimilated nor really integrated even. And this is the issue. I think in Australia it is less of a problem though it exists here as well. Again many people integrate well, live as good neighbours and citizens so we should be careful not to tar everyone with the same brush. But some don't. This is the real issue that worries the mainstream. When you have a sizable group of people in your midst who hate you, and everything that you stand for. On top of it they now have a role model in ISIS. Isn't this a worry?
And yes, the broader community should work hard to be kind and help people integrate rather than push them away. But in doing so if the majority yields more and more ground that will just embolden the firebrands. This is the time to be kind and firm, rather than compassionate in an idiotic way, to borrow from Trungpa.
As others have said striking the right balance is tricky.
And in Dan's utopia everybody lives happily and respectfully side by side enjoying the incredible mosaic of cultures that is humanity. Learning from each other. In this picture I wholeheartedly agree with Kim, Mr Man and other progressive posters who uphold humanities highest values.
But we are not there. We are in a mess. And we have to deal with this mess. Which means getting our hands dirty. Compromising. Choosing the lesser evil. But never losing sight of these values. That's the tricky part.
It is easy to hold fast to ideals when we have no responsibility, when we don't make decisions with far ranging repercussions. And it is also sadly all to easy to forget about the values and the principles. The hard road is the path of doing ones best given the constraints. And working to change the constraints as much as one can.