Gender and Sexuality report

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Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:07 pm

Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by SDC » Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:24 pm

Will wrote:Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
Will, please take moment to give this thread some direction. As per the TOS we are trying to get away from just dropping links and videos with no stated purpose.

What would you like to see discussed? We understand the obvious purpose is to have people read and comment, but we would like a bit more. Just a sentence will suffice.

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by ieee23 » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:00 pm

Will wrote:Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
I skimmed the summary. No disrespect, but what does this article have to do with Buddhism?
Whatever a bhikkhu frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. - MN 19

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 3:23 pm

ieee23 wrote:
Will wrote:Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
I skimmed the summary. No disrespect, but what does this article have to do with Buddhism?
This is the Lounge, so it need not be obviously connected to the Dhamma. However, Buddha tried to reduce suffering and the manifold traumas, problems and botheration that sex and gender trigger in many minds is worth considering.
Whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. -- MN 19

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by SDC » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:43 pm

Will wrote:
ieee23 wrote:
Will wrote:Heavy with statistics and psychiatric language, but interesting:

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publicati ... -fall-2016
I skimmed the summary. No disrespect, but what does this article have to do with Buddhism?
This is the Lounge, so it need not be obviously connected to the Dhamma. However, Buddha tried to reduce suffering and the manifold traumas, problems and botheration that sex and gender trigger in many minds is worth considering.
Will, see my post above. Please provide some direction for this thread.

Once again we are trying to avoid having videos and links dropped without a stated purpose since this has led to sprawling arguments in the past. It is the responsibility of the OP to provide this:
TOS wrote:j) Dhamma Wheel is not a blog site. Since you are not here alone, new topics should invite discussion via questions, suggestions, an introduction, or some other context - especially when the topic may be controversial, or when it does not have an obvious connection to Buddhism...
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:51 pm

SDC, Try to just be content with the 'obvious purpose to have people read it and comment'. That is all I had in mind.
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Post by SDC » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:52 pm

Will wrote:SDC, Try to just be content with the 'obvious purpose to have people read it and comment'. That is all I had in mind.
Please be content with TOS and provide at least one sentence to give this thread some direction. Thank you for the third time.

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Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:13 pm

SDC wrote:
Will wrote:SDC, Try to just be content with the 'obvious purpose to have people read it and comment'. That is all I had in mind.
Please be content with TOS and provide at least one sentence to give this thread some direction. Thank you for the third time.
The direction of this thread is this: Any reader of all or part of the link in the OP, shall and must only confine their comments to what they think is worth commenting on. If they find nothing of interest, they shall and must write nothing.
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by SDC » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:34 pm

Thank you for that introduction, Will. ;)

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Post by Justsit » Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:57 pm

https://thinkprogress.org/meet-the-doct ... .89kv5esbk

http://transadvocate.com/clinging-to-a- ... _13842.htm

Will, you have made your opinions on this topic clear in several different threads, here and on Dharma Wheel.

What you describe as "interesting" causes suffering for others, myself included, by attempting to negate and denigrate the experiences of transgender persons.

We are, of course, all entitled to our opinions, but perhaps we could just give this subject a rest?

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Will » Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:55 pm

Justsit wrote: Will, you have made your opinions on this topic clear in several different threads, here and on Dharma Wheel.

What you describe as "interesting" causes suffering for others, myself included, by attempting to negate and denigrate the experiences of transgender persons.

We are, of course, all entitled to our opinions, but perhaps we could just give this subject a rest?
No need to torture yourself, simply put Will among Foes (see User Control Panel) and do not read the report.

However, for those who do not wish to wade through 100 plus pages of technical lingo, check out the Preface and Executive Summary at least.
Whatever one frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. -- MN 19

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by retrofuturist » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:00 pm

Greetings,

Topic moved to the News, Current Events and Politics section... if anyone wishes to opt out of this section for reasons of sense restraint or to not be triggered, there's opt out instructions pinned to the top of this section. Thanks all.

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Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by samseva » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:10 am

Paul Davy wrote:...or to not be triggered
Considering the rest of Dhamma Wheel as being a safe space is a bit cringey (not that that was what you were saying, but any reader could interpret it like this).

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by samseva » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:25 am

samseva wrote:
Paul Davy wrote:...or to not be triggered
Considering the rest of Dhamma Wheel as being a safe space is a bit cringey (not that that was what you were saying, but any reader could interpret it like this).
Sorry if the post was a bit direct. That part triggered me. :P

Okay, I'll stop now.

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Post by retrofuturist » Tue Aug 23, 2016 1:41 am

Greetings samseva,

It's not that so much, but we want to encourage people to pro-actively manage their own emotional triggers, rather than having them publicly disrupt conversations with meta-discussion or by blaming others for their feelings of discomfort... both of which have happened in the past.

By containing "political" topics to one section, we can provide the tools to allow people to autonomously manage their own experience and decide what's right for them - so that their triggers do not become everyone else's issue to manage. Hence, the "opt out" function.

All we ask of individual members is that they comply with the Terms of Service. They cannot (nor should they be expected to) prevent other people being triggered by their ToS-compliant words. So don't worry... Dhamma Wheel won't become a hugbox.

Anyhow...

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Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Justsit » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:30 am

My point was not about being "triggered," it was the fact that it is very disheartening to come to a Buddhist forum and find repeated threads disparaging a minority group via biased articles.

It is difficult enough experiencing bias and hatred in the "real world" without finding it here as well. That being said, I will move along and leave OP to his crusade.

May all beings be happy, peaceful, and free from suffering.

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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Dan74 » Tue Aug 23, 2016 2:42 am

Justsit wrote:My point was not about being "triggered," it was the fact that it is very disheartening to come to a Buddhist forum and find repeated threads disparaging a minority group via biased articles.

It is difficult enough experiencing bias and hatred in the "real world" without finding it here as well. That being said, I will move along and leave OP to his crusade.

May all beings be happy, peaceful, and free from suffering.
Hi Justsit :hello:

I hear you and a very wise response.

:bow:
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by chownah » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:54 am

Justsit wrote:My point was not about being "triggered," it was the fact that it is very disheartening to come to a Buddhist forum and find repeated threads disparaging a minority group via biased articles.

It is difficult enough experiencing bias and hatred in the "real world" without finding it here as well. That being said, I will move along and leave OP to his crusade.

May all beings be happy, peaceful, and free from suffering.
I hear what you are saying and I'm glad you said it. I took a very very brief look at the article...I mean really brief...I just picked a couple of spots more or less at random and read a few paragraphs. I did not find what I would consider to be a major pattern of bias. From the extremely extremely small sampling that I made I found it to be informative about how sex and gender are viewed by people and societal groups....it seemed to present some science....I saw nothing offensive.

If it does have biases it would be good for people to point them out....I think people could learn alot about sex and gender if they read some of this....I found it boring because I have no problems or expectations about my sex or gender nor about the sex or gender of others so for me this whole thing is a non issue.
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by chownah » Tue Aug 23, 2016 3:27 pm

Here is an article discussing the sex and gender report link to in the original post.
http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/ryan- ... and-gender
Title:
Nearly Everything the Media Tell You About Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Is Wrong

Here is the introduction:
A major new report, published today in the journal The New Atlantis, challenges the leading narratives that the media has pushed regarding sexual orientation and gender identity.

Co-authored by two of the nation’s leading scholars on mental health and sexuality, the 143-page report discusses over 200 peer-reviewed studies in the biological, psychological, and social sciences, painstakingly documenting what scientific research shows and does not show about sexuality and gender.

The major takeaway, as the editor of the journal explains, is that “some of the most frequently heard claims about sexuality and gender are not supported by scientific evidence.”

Here are four of the report’s most important conclusions:

“The belief that sexual orientation is an innate, biologically fixed human property—that people are ‘born that way’—is not supported by scientific evidence.

“Likewise, the belief that gender identity is an innate, fixed human property independent of biological sex—so that a person might be a ‘man trapped in a woman’s body’ or ‘a woman trapped in a man’s body’—is not supported by scientific evidence.

“Only a minority of children who express gender-atypical thoughts or behavior will continue to do so into adolescence or adulthood. There is no evidence that all such children should be encouraged to become transgender, much less subjected to hormone treatments or surgery.

“Non-heterosexual and transgender people have higher rates of mental health problems (anxiety, depression, suicide), as well as behavioral and social problems (substance abuse, intimate partner violence), than the general population. Discrimination alone does not account for the entire disparity.”

The report, “Sexuality and Gender: Findings from the Biological, Psychological, and Social Sciences,” is co-authored by Dr. Lawrence Mayer and Dr. Paul McHugh. Mayer is a scholar-in-residence in the Department of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and a professor of statistics and biostatistics at Arizona State University.

McHugh, whom the editor of The New Atlantis describes as “arguably the most important American psychiatrist of the last half-century,” is a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and was for 25 years the psychiatrist-in-chief at the Johns Hopkins Hospital. It was during his tenure as psychiatrist-in-chief at Johns Hopkins that he put an end to sex reassignment surgery there, after a study launched at Hopkins revealed that it didn’t have the benefits for which doctors and patients had long hoped.
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Seems pretty legit to me...Johns Hopkins is pretty reputable I think. If people aren't sure then they could do a search on the authors and the journal they are being published in and see what you find but this is probably pretty unbiased I think.
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P.S. I found this in Yahoo science news.
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Re: Gender and Sexuality report

Post by Justsit » Tue Aug 23, 2016 6:04 pm

Chownah,

Perhaps you did not have a chance to read the articles I cited in my first post? They very effectively refute the bias found in McHugh's writing.

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