POTUS 2016, part 3

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Who would you like to see winning the presidency of the U.S.?

Hillary Clinton - (Dem.)
38
47%
Donald Trump - Mike Pence (Rep.)
21
26%
Gary Johnson - Bill Weld (Libertarian)
8
10%
Jill Stein (Green)
14
17%
 
Total votes: 81

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by Digity » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:22 pm

Truth is, they just made Mike Pence president. Trump won't be running anything.

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by pulga » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:31 pm

Mr Man wrote: What is the "right direction" pulga?
Towards inclusiveness, and that includes the working class that has been all but voiceless over the last twenty years or so.

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by SDC » Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:32 pm

DharmaLisa wrote:Can anyone recommend some Suttas to focus with this outcome? I find myself in shock, filled with dread, and utterly disappointed in my fellow Americans that cause this to happen to our already great country.
This one always reminds me of the perpetual disaster of the world. In a cynical sense people might use it as excuse to do nothing, and not care about the state of the world, but in a more reasonable way it can be employed as a means to not get disheartened or disenfranchised when good intentions and beneficial work does not have the lasting effect one would hope (if indeed the nature described by the Buddha in this sutta is actual). It seems that the world sustains madness with ease and fights peace at every turn.

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by binocular » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:00 pm

SDC wrote:And while I am confident he has fully considered the weight of the authority he will have, I am not at all convinced that he has had the chance to grasp the responsibility he has going forward.
Meh. Responsibility is mostly nonsense. The higher up someone is in a hierachy, the less actual responsibility they have.
What could be the worst thing to happen to him if he does something wrong? Going to jail for a few years?
I hope he is going to take this seriously. It is not a joke and this country really cannot handle being bullshitted the way it has been for the last 16 years. Everyone is fed up from being pulled in all directions and if Trump drags the pendulum into la la land things are going to erupt.
What is the alternative to being bulshitted?

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by binocular » Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:03 pm

SDC wrote:It seems that the world sustains madness with ease and fights peace at every turn.
Such is life in a universe in which resources are scarce.
(By resources I mean anything from gas, ores, arable land, clean air, sunlight, to inner peace and affection.)
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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by Mr Man » Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:21 pm

pulga wrote:
Mr Man wrote: What is the "right direction" pulga?
Towards inclusiveness, and that includes the working class that has been all but voiceless over the last twenty years or so.
This is today's comment from a UK Newspaper -

"How could Americans be so dumb as to put into the Oval Office a lying racist tax-avoiding billionaire chancer accused of a series of sexual assaults?
Poisonous Donald Trump, the polarising venom-filled onetime TV ego within groping distance of the Presidency, would turn the USA into one long reality horror show. Putting the white into a White House built by slaves, demonising Blacks, Mexicans and Muslims to identify just three of a prejudiced President-in-waiting's targets, will be a four-year nightmare as he deepens painful scars. Americans struggling to make ends meet on stagnating incomes or worried about jobs will quickly discover the turbo capitalist is no saviour when he undermines the minimum wage for them and gifts big tax cuts to his country club wealthy elite."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ke-9223982

Good luck with the inclusiveness and good luck to the working class.

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by pulga » Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:57 pm

Mr Man wrote: Good luck with the inclusiveness and good luck to the working class.
Shrill tabloid journalism aside, I'm with Hillary on this one: it's important to keep an open mind and to give Trump the chance to lead.

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by DNS » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:06 pm

The Simpsons predicted a Trump presidency back in year 2000

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by Mkoll » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:06 pm

pulga wrote:
Mr Man wrote: Good luck with the inclusiveness and good luck to the working class.
Shrill tabloid journalism aside, I'm with Hillary on this one: it's important to keep an open mind and to give Trump the chance to lead.
I agree. At the same time, if he ends up leading us into disaster we can't say we couldn't have seen it coming.
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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by alan » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:07 pm

Totally shocked and horrified. Wondering if I even need to continue living in America.

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by Mr Man » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:21 pm

pulga wrote:
Mr Man wrote: Good luck with the inclusiveness and good luck to the working class.
Shrill tabloid journalism aside, I'm with Hillary on this one: it's important to keep an open mind and to give Trump the chance to lead.
Shrill tabloid journalism but accurate isn't it? You have now got a president who likes to "Grab ’em by the pussy".

pulga do you want to "build a wall" & "lock her up"? Do you want a president endorsed by the KKK?

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by rowboat » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:35 pm

Today, we’re facing a new reality – a president-elect who has denigrated people because of their race, their religion, their ethnicity, their gender, and more.

Our mission is to hold Donald Trump to what he is saying now – that he will be a president for all Americans and that he will work to bind the wounds of division, wounds that his own words have caused.

We’re already at work.

Today, we’ve provided resources to our nation’s teachers to help them begin to heal the scars that the campaign has left on their students.

And we’ve alerted the country to the reaction of white supremacists to Mr. Trump’s election in an effort to inoculate the nation against their growing influence.

Tomorrow, and every day in the future, we’ll fight for the rights of the most vulnerable people in America – those victimized by bigotry and discrimination.

We hope Mr. Trump truly means what he says about reaching out to all Americans.

But there is one group we hope he disappoints – the extremists who flocked to his candidacy and found in him a voice for their bigotry.

During his campaign, Mr. Trump named far-right extremists as advisers, re-circulated racist and anti-Semitic tweets, gave press credentials to a white supremacist radio host, and refused for months to disavow David Duke after the neo-Nazi endorsed him.

Now, white nationalists and the alt-right are celebrating his victory.

If he means what he says, Mr. Trump must make absolutely clear to them that neither their ideas nor anyone affiliated with them will have any influence or voice in his administration.

That is the first thing he must do to begin binding the wounds of division that his campaign has caused.

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by rowboat » Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:55 pm

The election of Donald Trump to the Presidency is nothing less than a tragedy for the American republic, a tragedy for the Constitution, and a triumph for the forces, at home and abroad, of nativism, authoritarianism, misogyny, and racism. Trump’s shocking victory, his ascension to the Presidency, is a sickening event in the history of the United States and liberal democracy. On January 20, 2017, we will bid farewell to the first African-American President—a man of integrity, dignity, and generous spirit—and witness the inauguration of a con who did little to spurn endorsement by forces of xenophobia and white supremacy. It is impossible to react to this moment with anything less than revulsion and profound anxiety.

[...]

Trump ran his campaign sensing the feeling of dispossession and anxiety among millions of voters—white voters, in the main. And many of those voters—not all, but many—followed Trump because they saw that this slick performer, once a relative cipher when it came to politics, a marginal self-promoting buffoon in the jokescape of eighties and nineties New York, was more than willing to assume their resentments, their fury, their sense of a new world that conspired against their interests. That he was a billionaire of low repute did not dissuade them any more than pro-Brexit voters in Britain were dissuaded by the cynicism of Boris Johnson and so many others. The Democratic electorate might have taken comfort in the fact that the nation had recovered substantially, if unevenly, from the Great Recession in many ways—unemployment is down to 4.9 per cent—but it led them, it led us, to grossly underestimate reality. The Democratic electorate also believed that, with the election of an African-American President and the rise of marriage equality and other such markers, the culture wars were coming to a close. Trump began his campaign declaring Mexican immigrants to be “rapists”; he closed it with an anti-Semitic ad evoking “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”; his own behavior made a mockery of the dignity of women and women’s bodies. And, when criticized for any of it, he batted it all away as “political correctness.” Surely such a cruel and retrograde figure could succeed among some voters, but how could he win? Surely, Breitbart News, a site of vile conspiracies, could not become for millions a source of news and mainstream opinion. And yet Trump, who may have set out on his campaign merely as a branding exercise, sooner or later recognized that he could embody and manipulate these dark forces....
AN AMERICAN TRAGEDY
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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by Psychotropic » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:01 pm

pulga do you want to "build a wall" & "lock her up"?
But mexicans are already in the process of building a wall of their own on the border with Guatemala for the same reasons US wants to build one.

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Re: POTUS 2016, part 3

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:14 pm

Greetings,
The aforementioned article wrote:...It is impossible to react to this moment with anything less than revulsion and profound anxiety.
For the millions in America and across the globe who have inadvertently found themselves confined within the smug, elitist, self-righteous, virtue-signalling echo-chamber of the modern progressive left, this is very much a reflection of how a lot of people are going to be feeling right now. Many will literally be triggered.

I do hope Donald Trump's victory speech may allay some of that anxiety. May all Americans learn to come together as one, united as "Americans", rather than continuing to divide themselves through identity politics into warring factions based on gender, race, religion, sexuality, and so on.

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

Take care, friends... and all the best.

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