"Neither did the Buddha" eh? I'm not particularly interested in whatever self-narratives you are invested in contriving here in search of self-justification for several of the absurd things that you insinuated in the post that I responded to, nor am I interested in precisely what degree you are willing to twist the Buddhadharma to suit your ideological positions. What I am interested in is exposing the things you actually said, not the self-narratives of Buddhadharma-justification you spin about your motivations:ihrjordan wrote:I'm sorry you chose to read these things into my above statements. Nowhere did I say that you can't help those in need and indeed neither did the Buddha, one should give where the heart feels inspired and giving in any form is not to be discouraged. What I said above is that you should not blame others (meaning; untrained worldlings) for discrimination as that is apart of the fabric of this world we live in. We will hear both kind and unkind words, feel both pain and pleasure. If we wish to not hear and feel these things we shouldn't put ourselves in a state which they are ever more prevelant. (Note that this is not a fee licence to be mean) I never once said it was a good thing to show hate to others but rather that, the hate in and of itself should not be viewed as the problem.Coëmgenu wrote:Gay people, doing nothing more than the passive act of existing, are not responsible for homophobia, as your post seems to tiptoe around implying. Similarly, neither Gay nor trans people are responsible for the action of other past selves who may have done good or bad things to land them in their present state. Clearly they must have done something awesome because they merited a human rebirth, and a human birth is a human birth no matter how one wants to spin it. The issue of kamma doesn't really bare on the issues of trans-discrimination, unless it's about the extraordinary negative kamma produced by the negative mindset of ill-will that causes to arise transphobic hate.ihrjordan wrote:It is unfortunate no doubt, but we must understand that all beings are owners of their actions heirs to their actions. In the case of homeless people or trans genders they have previously created the conditions to be in an oppressed state. Noone forced them to put on women's clothing or even be homeless or crazy or whatever other circumstances they find themselves in. The common argument is that "they were born this way", but according to buddhism this would be considered their own doing. Blaming others for "trans discrimination" is like blaming nature for for having seasons. It is the way of the world to discriminate against things which are different or other.
If someone were to fornicate with animals and others called him names and shunned him would this be a form of oppression? ( I'm waiting for the day lgbt becomes lgbta) We shouldn't make normal what is by its very nature abnormal. A great Indian poet once said that it is easy to be indiscriminately generous, it is much more noble to know who is most worth giving to.
I used to give to homeless people and occasionally still do, but I've found that I'd much rather give to the sangha of bhikkus since it bears greater fruit. The way to empower the lgbt community and all of humainty for that matter is to give to the best of the best of human beings and then let the goodness trickle down so to speak. Its all too easy for the "disenfranchised" to place the blame on others for their predicament rather than to see what they're doinot wrong. As a person of mixed ethnicity (black, white, amerindian) and low financial standing by birth Ive seen so many people both black, white and otherwise complain that the system is what's holding them back...that people they've never had contact with are somehow responsible for their misfortunes.
Black lives matter, Alt-right angry white guys, lgbt, peta, feminists, redpillers all of these groups miss the point. They place the blame on the wrong thing. They point the finger at corporate greed but they are greedy themselves. They point the finger at straight people for hatred but they have hate in their own hearts.
They point the finger at the "male patriarchy" for oppression but they return in kind.
We must not forget to be the change you want to see in the world.
By the metric you have put forth for determining who does and doesn't deserve basic human dignity equal to their fellow humans you can justify all sorts of amorality.
If I have a neighbour who runs out of food why should I share my food with her? Clearly she did something awful in a past life and is only now getting what's coming to her. It's good that she starves. She was a horrible person, I know that because aweful things happen to her. See how this line of thinking doesn't work? It's a pathway to nowhere but apathy and amorality.
There's a saying which goes "if the earth is covered in broken glass you can either cover the earth in leather...or you can wear sandals" meaning that the problem is never with "them over there" but rather our ability to keep up with the natural changes of life. Sjws attempt to cover the earth made of broken glass in leather...an impossible task. Again we should be the change we wish to see in the world rather than blaming everyone else for our problems. This is my point. Notice the passive aggression that you seemed to display against me.. a perceived bigot presumably against a cause you believe in strongly...do you not see the contradiction? How can these groups expect change when they portray the exact same attitudes they are fighting?
The victim mentality is toxic in all its manifestations. It prevents true changes from being made.
This is a statement calling trans-discrimination "natural". I would suggest you invest in some background reading in human anthropology.The common argument is that "they were born this way", but according to buddhism this would be considered their own doing. Blaming others for "trans discrimination" is like blaming nature for for having seasons.
"Next thing you know they will be legalizing sex with animals". That is a favourite absurd homophobic talking point that never seems to die. Perhaps this is proof in favour of svabhāvadhātu after all.If someone were to fornicate with animals and others called him names and shunned him would this be a form of oppression? ( I'm waiting for the day lgbt becomes lgbta)
Eh? What definition of "normal" is operative here? "Normal" or "natural". Because "your normal" seems to have a fair degree of moral baggage to unpack. Especially given that the sentence I just quoted comes directly after calling lgtb people akin to bestiality-practitioners.We shouldn't make normal what is by its very nature abnormal.
I wonder if you would consider most charities "worthy" of being "given to". Lgtb charities? Oh definitely not. You admitted here:We shouldn't make normal what is by its very nature abnormal. A great Indian poet once said that it is easy to be indiscriminately generous, it is much more noble to know who is most worth giving to.
that you are opposed to charity that does not go to directly to meditators. Non-meditators need your money more, to be frank.I used to give to homeless people and occasionally still do, but I've found that I'd much rather give to the sangha of bhikkus since it bears greater fruit.
Trickle-down economics of prosperity didn't work for Reagan. They won't work for Trump. They wouldn't work for Buddhadharma either.The way to empower the lgbt community and all of humainty for that matter is to give to the best of the best of human beings and then let the goodness trickle down so to speak.
This is more "its the trans peoples' own fault for being trans that they are discriminated against" ridiculousness.Its all too easy for the "disenfranchised" to place the blame on others for their predicament rather than to see what they're doinot wrong.
Call me attached to "victim-culture", a favourite go-to point for those of certain ideological orientations, but you said some utterly ridiculous things, then tried to justify your own biases, preconceptions, false-beliefs, and ideologies, as Buddhadharma, based on the idea that they are just a proper understand of kamma. That is not the case. This is just bias and misconception reified into Buddhism.