First-past-the-post Voting System

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Re: First-past-the-post Voting System

Post by dxm_dxm » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:11 pm

Absolutely wrong. It is widely known in the US that having the power to vote alone does not mean there is a democracy.
Then why are they not doing anything to bring proportional representation in the country or at least fix the 1round vote insanity ?
Absolutely wrong...as can easily be shown by simply pointing out that there are lots of educated people who understand full well the principles you mention and who support the american government.
And still, nobody answered my question about the train I posted 5 times :juggling:
I guess this shows how really deluded you are.
Or the guys living in such systems :smile:
because what you are saying now makes no sense at all.
I was reffering to the fact that we changed our system back to party list after having just about 5% of the total votes wasted. You guys have 70% and are doing nothing. You can take no step to diminish the vote power of romanians because the people will crucify you while they can. People don't have to be philosophers to understand the principle of representation and when power is taken away from them.

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Re: First-past-the-post Voting System

Post by chownah » Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:14 pm

thanks for all your replies. At first I wasn't sure if I understood what you were saying but now I think I do.
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Re: First-past-the-post Voting System

Post by dxm_dxm » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:18 pm

Yup, that's what I was trying to say. If 70% votes are wasted 70% people have no power. I would have been one of those people at every election that took place. The vote power is greatly diluted by the electoral vote + 1round voting absurdity. Every vote matters over here. In fact, it matters so much that the parties offer a lot of political bribes when election comes. Usually they are buckets with food products worth 15-30$ offered to countryside people but also in the cities. Somebody once knocked at my door (in the city) and offered me a sandwich but I refused because it was from the party I was keeping sides with and did not want to waste the sandwich. My vote worth at least a sandwich, it's not a wasted vote or even a detrimental vote(thanks to 1round voting brain fart) The competition on the political scene is infinitely greater because every 1% matters so that's why protests are so effective in such systems. We never have protests because things are fixed way beore that point but when we do, it can take as little as 13 000 from 22mil and a couple of days of protests to change a government as in the 2012 case.

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Re: First-past-the-post Voting System

Post by dxm_dxm » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:16 pm

The chief prosecutor of Romania just got on trial for corruption and resigned today. There are voices that say that our anti-corruption division is the nr1 in the world at this moment and we are given an example to all developing countries. The neighbouring moldovans look at as like at gods and try to copy us (unfortunately with 0% success). Having their life and world threatened, there were innumerable attempts from the politicians, especially from the corrupt socialist (ex communist) party to castrate the anti-corruption division but were unable to because of popular support, EU and US intervention and because the good design of the system. They even tried a kind of a coup in 2012 on the president but our institutions simply resisted thanks to their good design. It was a crucial moment in the history o Romania. All the time, people violently opposed the castrations of the anti-corruption division, no matter what party they were supporting. If the people had no power like in UK/US, defending or creating this in the first place would not have been possible. We are an example of what EU idea of policy can create.
In December 2013, on a day dubbed Black Tuesday,the parliament passed a draft law that would have granted immunity to elected officials. The international community reacted strongly, as did many Romanians who took to the streets in protest, and the measures were later struck down.

No longer untouchable
Last November, just days after an anticorruption candidate won Romania’s latest presidential election, lawmakers were once again called to vote on a controversial amnesty bill. This one would have opened the way to releasing any inmate serving up to six years in prison for non-violent crimes – which would have included most of those serving time for corruption.

This time the vote was almost unanimously against the bill.
I remember how they kept saying on tv "do not worry, violent offenders won't get out so there is nothing to fear" lol

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Re: First-past-the-post Voting System

Post by dxm_dxm » Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:57 pm

I have noticed that every time I brag about something I tend to lose is very fast lol

The corrupt socialist party also responsible for what is quoted in my previsious post and the semi-coup they tried in 2012 managed to introduce the 1 round insanity overe here. In 2014 presidential elections they were on the wave. Their corrupt canditate got 40% in first round (vs30%)and all the small parties announced their support for second tour. In the last week of the campaign, when people were not looking, he introduced 1 round elections for mayers. I completelly forgot about this because every party said it is strongly against this and will easily stop it. Turns out the other big party just pretended to try and stop this but did nothing because it's helping them too. Now it is pretty sure we will have 1 round elections for mayers. I hope this insanity won't last more than one local election.

A study was just made that says mayers in office have 80% chance to be re-elected thanks to this insanity. I still hope somebody will stop this.

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