Political Compass

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Which quadrant are your results in?

Authoritarian Left
0
No votes
Libertarian Left
20
77%
Authoritarian Right
1
4%
Libertarian Right
5
19%
 
Total votes: 26

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Re: Political Compass

Post by Cittasanto » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:48 am

David N. Snyder wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:A critique of this "test":
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_Compass
I did find the astrology question rather strange. The rationalwiki site has an alternative test linked:
http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/politi ... -quiz.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I scored about the same on the alternative too, with a slightly more libertarian score, but still mostly centrist.
One thing I liked about this quiz was that it was "two pronged" (for lack of better words) i.e. each question had two aspects, the question itself and the importance of each specific question.

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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by Cittasanto » Fri Dec 25, 2015 7:18 am

tiltbillings wrote:These stupid test are just that, stupid tests.
and a bit of fun, and something to help understand a particular slant a question or Axis has.
I remember being questioned how I "rationalised" my nationalism with Dhamma, as to some the two are not compatable. People only understood nationalism in one way, and there was no other way.

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:56 am

Cittasanto wrote:not changed any since the last time I think.
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44
chart.png
I did this questionaire and obtained something very close to this.

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Re: Political Compass

Post by Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:07 am

Cittasanto wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:These stupid test are just that, stupid tests.
and a bit of fun, and something to help understand a particular slant a question or Axis has.
I remember being questioned how I "rationalised" my nationalism with Dhamma, as to some the two are not compatable. People only understood nationalism in one way, and there was no other way.

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I suspect Tiltbillings took the test and discovered
he's a right wing authoritarian. Or the chart was just a picture of Grumpy Cat.
Muahahahaha!!
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He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Political Compass

Post by tiltbillings » Sat Dec 26, 2015 3:01 am

Modus.Ponens wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:
tiltbillings wrote:These stupid test are just that, stupid tests.
and a bit of fun, and something to help understand a particular slant a question or Axis has.
I remember being questioned how I "rationalised" my nationalism with Dhamma, as to some the two are not compatable. People only understood nationalism in one way, and there was no other way.

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Cittasanto
I suspect Tiltbillings took the test and discovered
he's a right wing authoritarian. Or the chart was just a picture of Grumpy Cat.
Muahahahaha!!

JK
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Re: Political Compass

Post by Aloka » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:02 am

I can't understand the point of having polls & tests like this, especially as the media is already saturated with politics and suchlike on a daily basis.

However maybe my lack of understanding and not finding it 'fun' is because of my inferior kamma as
a mere woman..... :rolleye:


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Re: Political Compass

Post by Ben » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:59 am

Aloka wrote:I can't understand the point of having polls & tests like this, especially as the media is already saturated with politics and suchlike on a daily basis.

However maybe my lack of understanding and not finding it 'fun' is because of my inferior kamma as
a mere woman..... :rolleye:


Enjoy the rest of your Xmas weekend, dear readers.

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You're not the only one that doesn't find it fun or particularly relevant, Aloka.
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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DNS » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:32 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:12 am
limited role for government - probably not buddhist; while buddhism would not support big govt, it does support govt rather than law of the jungle

limited social programs - yes & no buddhist; buddhism supports self-reliance but also a charity safety net

promoting traditional social values - very buddhist

authoritarian or otherwise exclusive style of conservative government - can be buddhist, such as universal monarch

anti-immigration - can be buddhist, since buddhism teaches to preserve culture - most buddhist countries are anti-immigration

anti-abortion - definitely buddhist

anti-PC - definitely buddhist since right speech is not PC

anti-liberal - definitely buddhist; DN 31 says a liberal is a bad companion

Nazism was militaristic, therefore non-Buddhist

however, Nazism was family, community & nation orientated & anti-usury, which was Buddhist

Buddhism is against sexual liberalism, promiscuity, abortion, etc.

Buddhism encourages self-reliance rather than dependence of govt charity, even though buddhism supports a charity safety-net
Interesting analysis of politics related to the Dhamma. I agree with much of what you wrote, though not all of it. And I am sure you could find Sutta support for your views. So do you classify yourself as a conservative? Where do you land on the political compass quadrants?

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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DooDoot » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:01 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:32 pm
. So do you classify yourself as a conservative? Where do you land on the political compass quadrants?
Thanks David.

The political compass & definitions of non-Americans probably does not match the political compass & definitions used by Americans, which dominate the internet space. For example, in Australia, I am definitely not a 'conservative' since the Conservative LNP Party here always is dead last on my voting list. I actually don't follow or get involved in politics very much, apart from an obvious concern about US-Zionist foreign policy.

However, since the Trump election I have developed both an awareness of & opposition to the US left wing in relation to Buddhism because:

1. The US-Buddhist-left-wing, in embracing its narcissistic self-interests, supports a militaristic government & generally has no awareness of the international actions of the Obama-Hillary govt.

2. The US-Buddhist-left-wing supports abortion (aka 'womens reproductive rights'), which is a misrepresentation & hijacking of Buddhism. Note: I am personally politically neutral about abortion however I think Buddhism should not be hijacked by American liberals.

3. The US-Buddhist-left-wing supports feminism, homosexuality, unregulated immigration, which is a misrepresentation & hijacking of Buddhism. Buddhism obviously does not support feminism (which is against family values & is a corporate ideology); Buddhism offers the gift of safety to homosexuals, which does not mean Buddhism endorses everything homosexuals do or promotes homosexuality as a lifestyle; Buddhism obviously supports the rule of law, which includes appropriate immigration laws & policies. For example, during the Vietnam & Cambodian Wars, Thailand did not accept any refugees but only transferred refugees for resettlement elsewhere. In the history of the USA, my research has found the more open immigration policies of the USA have been historically pushed by the Jewish lobby, since diversity helps Jewish causes in the USA.

4. Interestingly, I recently have come to an awareness that much of US liberal culture is Jewish in origins (diversity, 2nd wave feminism, Hollywood, pornography, etc); which would also explain the predominance of liberalism in American-Buddhism, which also has significant Jewish origins.

As an Australian, my political background is:

1. Understanding of how Australia began as a convict settlement, which was a result of the cruelty of laissez-faire capitalism (unlike the USA).

2. How Australia quickly evolved away the British class-system via workers rights & appropriate wages (unlike the USA).

3. How Australia (once) had a relatively uncorrupt & representative govt system, which did not include political bribery (unlike the USA).

4. How Australia (once) had well utilized a taxation system for the benefit of the Australia people (unlike the USA).

5. How Australians have been used in British & American wars, which many Australians are naturally against.

6. While Australia was a British colony, due to the convict & Irish origins, many Australians are against colonialism.

Therefore, my left-wing political tendencies are generally about economics & foreign policy (rather than American-Jewish left-wing feminism, LGBT, abortion, cultural diversity, immigration, etc). I believe via proven experience in the role of government regulation of private industry; taxation; government provision of essential services such as health, education, public transport, utilities, etc; fair rather than free trade; compatible immigration policies. I don't believe in imperialistic wars, such as the Vietnam, Iraq, Libyan, Syrian & (hoped for) Iran War. I don't believe in colonialism, including the colonisation of Palestine (which continues to grow). I believe in family, community & thus nation, even though Australia, similar to the USA, does not really have a strong sense of community & nation, which is why these nations (unlike say Thailand, Israel, Syria or once Germany) do little to prevent their loss of nationhood. I suppose since Americans & Australians got something for nothing via mere colonisation or invasion, they do not really cherish what they have but are willing to sell what they have to the highest bidder.

As for feminism, LGBT, etc, I have always been against (2nd wave) feminism since I believe it harms women, tremendously. LGBT I am neutral about. I have always supported the non-discrimination of LGBT but do not support the current LGBT imposition onto mainstream values. The word 'dharma' means to 'support or preserve'. On a social level, Buddhism 'supports preserves or protects' LGBT but on a larger cosmic level LGBT does not preserve or support the continuance of human society because it is not about reproduction & families but is largely a form of naricissism, similar to heterosexual hedonism.

To conclude, as an Australian, my political compass is generally not the political compass Judaic intellectuals & mass media have largely created for the American public. As Australians, our political compass is not dominated by Jewish narratives.

Regards :yingyang:
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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DNS » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:28 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:01 pm
To conclude, as an Australian, my political compass is generally not the political compass Judaic intellectuals & mass media have largely created for the American public. As Australians, our political compass is not dominated by Jewish narratives.
Okay, now that you explain in greater detail your political positions, perhaps we don't have that much in common, except that we're both anti-war, anti-imperialism. I'm libertarian-center-right whereas you're all over the place.

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You're right it's hard to place you on the compass; you're left on some things, right wing on others, authoritarian on social issues, conspiracies on some things; I guess we need a new category for you. :tongue:

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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:30 pm

Greetings DooDoot,

Thanks for sharing that comprehensive response.

Here in Australia I've actually voted Greens since 2000, and even handed out how to vote cards for the last 2 federal, and 1 state election but I won't be doing either again soon, because under their current leadership, the Greens become trapped in the thought-world of identity politics. I find this somewhat ironic, because former Greens leader Bob Brown himself was gay, but he never made a big issue out of it. Yet now, everything the Greens come up with is modelled on third-wave feminism, critical theory, open borders globalism, and cultural Marxism... and invariably results in them calling their opponents racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobia, misogynist, xenophobic, Islamophobic etc.

Similarly, when I voted that way, it was primarily on economic grounds, specifically in terms of appropriate and progressive taxation, and using that funding for the basic building blocks of a functional society - things like schools and tertiary education, the health sector (both physical and mental), aged care, public transport infrastructure, and good public planning. The Greens of old were more libertarian-left (remember their old policies to decriminalize certain drugs?), but have now swung to the authoritarian-left quadrant as they clutch to identity politics, clearly influenced by those in the U.S. who have taken the lead in fostering that ideological cancer.

Whilst, like you, my views on politics has been influenced by the sutta, I feel that the party I used to vote for has shifted even more than I have. If Dave Rubin's analysis is anything to go by, it seems this phenomenon has its parallels in the U.S.



Back locally, I see the Greens vote is stagnating, and potentially even declining, and I'm pleased about this, but believe they're too pig-headed and stubborn to listen to reasons why their fixation on identity politics is doing them more harm than good. In the current climate, where even the major parties pander to Cultural Marxism, my party of choice would be the Liberal Democrats, followed by Australian Conservatives... beyond that, I'd just be grudgingly putting numbers in boxes.

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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DooDoot » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:34 pm

DNS wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:32 pm
? Where do you land on the political compass quadrants?
Expressed more briefly, I suppose Western politics historically was primarily about economics or how to allocate wealth (where most people generally held the same sexual values). But, more recently, sexual morality appears to have become an aspect of politics. Thus, it terms of economics, I lean to the left. In terms of sexual morals, I lean to the right. By pulling the sexual heart strings of the US left-wing, the US politicians obtain votes & power to engage in right-wing international wars & support right-wing economic policies, such as laissez faire-trade & Wall St. It was Bill Clinton that started the large economic & trade deregulation, which in Australia is a right-wing phenomena. :yingyang:
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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by PuerAzaelis » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:35 pm

Sounds like the new category is “da Jooz”. It has a long tradition, I suppose.
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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DooDoot » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:38 pm

PuerAzaelis wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:35 pm
Sounds like the new category is “da Jooz”. It has a long tradition, I suppose.
Thanks. But I am trying to engage in an intelligent discussion here where you seem to be engaged in name-calling.

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Re: Political Compass

Post by DNS » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:40 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:34 pm
Expressed more briefly, I suppose Western politics historically was primarily about economics or how to allocate wealth (where most people generally held the same sexual values). But, more recently, sexual morality appears to have become an aspect of politics. Thus, it terms of economics, I lean to the left. In terms of sexual morals, I lean to the right. By pulling the sexual heart strings of the US left-wing, the US politicians obtain votes & power to engage in right-wing international wars. :yingyang:
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So, you're a Stalinist? :tongue:

(left economics, right-wing on social issues, authoritarian)

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Re: Why are far-right political views so predominant on DW?

Post by DooDoot » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:44 pm

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Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:40 pm
So, you're a Stalinist? :tongue:

(left economics, right-wing on social issues, authoritarian)
Lol. I don't know much about Raph Nadar but from the little I have heard him speak, he is probably the only individual on that diagram I respect. As for Obama & Hillary, they are definitely misplaced.

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About the Dalai Lama vs Pope, maybe Jenny needs to watch this Aussie (Jewish) Comedian: :tongue:

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Re: Political Compass

Post by PuerAzaelis » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:45 pm

DooDoot wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:38 pm
... you seem to be engaged in name-calling.
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DooDoot wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:01 pm
4. Interestingly, I recently have come to an awareness that much of US liberal culture is Jewish in origins (diversity, 2nd wave feminism, Hollywood, pornography, etc); which would also explain the predominance of liberalism in American-Buddhism, which also has significant Jewish origins.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by retrofuturist » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:48 pm

Greetings PuerAzaelis,

How is that "name calling"? That's an observation.

I guess the fact we use words to communicate, means that anything can be called "name" calling?

Perhaps that's the point of the term "name calling"... it can be used to try shutting down anyone else's opinions or positions that one disapproves of.

How authoritarian... 8-)

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Paul. :)
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Re: Political Compass

Post by PuerAzaelis » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:56 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:48 pm
How authoritarian... 8-)

Metta,
Paul. :)
Just an observation lol. You just lost me, pal. Sigh, yea well everyone is their own authority, in the final analysis. I guess when we all meet in the big town park in the sky with our favorite baseball bats wrapped in duct tape and razor wire we can ask the DJ to play Midnight Oil. Just ignore me I’m just some wog hanging out in the corner.
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Re: Political Compass

Post by DooDoot » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:01 pm

PuerAzaelis wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:56 pm
Just an observation lol. You just lost me, pal. Sigh, yea well everyone is their own authority, in the final analysis. I guess when we all meet in the big town park in the sky with our favorite baseball bats wrapped in duct tape and razor wire we can ask the DJ to play Midnight Oil. Just ignore me I’m just some wog hanging out in the corner.
At least I was suggesting to add something of substance to the discussion. I am also a 'wog'.

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