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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:26 am

We've seen many times that when federal governments fail to lead, smaller units - states, cities - go ahead anyhow. It's happening again -
Climate Mayors commit to adopt, honor and uphold Paris Climate Agreement goals

STATEMENT FROM THE CLIMATE MAYORS IN RESPONSE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S WITHDRAWAL FROM THE PARIS CLIMATE AGREEMENT

Thursday, June 1st 2017

The President’s denial of global warming is getting a cold reception from America’s cities.

As 68 Mayors representing 38 million Americans, we will adopt, honor, and uphold the commitments to the goals enshrined in the Paris Agreement. We will intensify efforts to meet each of our cities’ current climate goals, push for new action to meet the 1.5 degrees Celsius target, and work together to create a 21st century clean energy economy.

We will continue to lead. We are increasing investments in renewable energy and energy efficiency. We will buy and create more demand for electric cars and trucks. We will increase our efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions, create a clean energy economy, and stand for environmental justice. ...
https://medium.com/@ClimateMayors/clima ... 566e260097

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by SDC » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:51 am

Kim OHara wrote:We've seen many times that when federal governments fail to lead, smaller units - states, cities - go ahead anyhow. It's happening again -
Climate Mayors commit to adopt, honor and uphold Paris Climate Agreement goals

STATEMENT FROM THE CLIMATE MAYORS IN RESPONSE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S WITHDRAWAL FROM THE PARIS CLIMATE AGREEMENT

Thursday, June 1st 2017

The President’s denial of global warming is getting a cold reception from America’s cities.

As 68 Mayors representing 38 million Americans, we will adopt, honor, and uphold the commitments to the goals enshrined in the Paris Agreement. We will intensify efforts to meet each of our cities’ current climate goals, push for new action to meet the 1.5 degrees Celsius target, and work together to create a 21st century clean energy economy.

We will continue to lead. We are increasing investments in renewable energy and energy efficiency. We will buy and create more demand for electric cars and trucks. We will increase our efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions, create a clean energy economy, and stand for environmental justice. ...
https://medium.com/@ClimateMayors/clima ... 566e260097

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Kim
Wow...doing things without the federal gov't...wow....what a concept.

Wouldn't it even be more cool if there were like 50 different states that could like, you know, make decisions based on some rights granted to them by a Constitution? By like an article? Maybe the tenth one? That would be like super swell. Something like, "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." If this were like a thing, then different states could like do the things they thought were important and stuff, you know, just like what these trail blazing mayors are doing. Wow maaan.....

Unreal if this is a revelation to anyone. Perhaps if the Constitution was actually read with eyes people would find many things that they stumble upon after wracking their brains at what they see most politicians doing.

Serenity now. :|


(Kim, 98% of that sarcasm is not for you...just 2 ;) )

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by chownah » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:23 am

SDC wrote:
Kim OHara wrote:We've seen many times that when federal governments fail to lead, smaller units - states, cities - go ahead anyhow. It's happening again -
Climate Mayors commit to adopt, honor and uphold Paris Climate Agreement goals

STATEMENT FROM THE CLIMATE MAYORS IN RESPONSE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S WITHDRAWAL FROM THE PARIS CLIMATE AGREEMENT

Thursday, June 1st 2017

The President’s denial of global warming is getting a cold reception from America’s cities.

As 68 Mayors representing 38 million Americans, we will adopt, honor, and uphold the commitments to the goals enshrined in the Paris Agreement. We will intensify efforts to meet each of our cities’ current climate goals, push for new action to meet the 1.5 degrees Celsius target, and work together to create a 21st century clean energy economy.

We will continue to lead. We are increasing investments in renewable energy and energy efficiency. We will buy and create more demand for electric cars and trucks. We will increase our efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions, create a clean energy economy, and stand for environmental justice. ...
https://medium.com/@ClimateMayors/clima ... 566e260097

:twothumbsup:

Kim
Wow...doing things without the federal gov't...wow....what a concept.

Wouldn't it even be more cool if there were like 50 different states that could like, you know, make decisions based on some rights granted to them by a Constitution? By like an article? Maybe the tenth one? That would be like super swell. Something like, "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." If this were like a thing, then different states could like do the things they thought were important and stuff, you know, just like what these trail blazing mayors are doing. Wow maaan.....

Unreal if this is a revelation to anyone. Perhaps if the Constitution was actually read with eyes people would find many things that they stumble upon after wracking their brains at what they see most politicians doing.

Serenity now. :|


(Kim, 98% of that sarcasm is not for you...just 2 ;) )
Wouldn't it be even more cool if the constitution was amended so that phasing out of carbon emitting fuels was mandated to happen in 10 years!!!!
Trying to stay on topic here......are you?
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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:19 am

Just quickly ... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-02/d ... tt/8584008

Back later to respond to SDC. :tongue:

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by SDC » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:00 am

chownah wrote:
SDC wrote: Wow...doing things without the federal gov't...wow....what a concept.

Wouldn't it even be more cool if there were like 50 different states that could like, you know, make decisions based on some rights granted to them by a Constitution? By like an article? Maybe the tenth one? That would be like super swell. Something like, "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." If this were like a thing, then different states could like do the things they thought were important and stuff, you know, just like what these trail blazing mayors are doing. Wow maaan.....

Unreal if this is a revelation to anyone. Perhaps if the Constitution was actually read with eyes people would find many things that they stumble upon after wracking their brains at what they see most politicians doing.

Serenity now. :|


(Kim, 98% of that sarcasm is not for you...just 2 ;) )
Wouldn't it be even more cool if the constitution was amended so that phasing out of carbon emitting fuels was mandated to happen in 10 years!!!!
Trying to stay on topic here......are you?
chownah
Sounds good, chownah. So elect LAWMAKERS to go to WASHINGTON DC to AMEND the CONSTITUTION instead of supporting weak gestural agreements that no one is actually obligated to follow.

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:54 am

SDC wrote:
Kim OHara wrote:We've seen many times that when federal governments fail to lead, smaller units - states, cities - go ahead anyhow. It's happening again -
Climate Mayors commit to adopt, honor and uphold Paris Climate Agreement goals

STATEMENT FROM THE CLIMATE MAYORS IN RESPONSE TO PRESIDENT TRUMP’S WITHDRAWAL FROM THE PARIS CLIMATE AGREEMENT

Thursday, June 1st 2017

The President’s denial of global warming is getting a cold reception from America’s cities.

As 68 Mayors representing 38 million Americans, we will adopt, honor, and uphold the commitments to the goals enshrined in the Paris Agreement. We will intensify efforts to meet each of our cities’ current climate goals, push for new action to meet the 1.5 degrees Celsius target, and work together to create a 21st century clean energy economy.

We will continue to lead. We are increasing investments in renewable energy and energy efficiency. We will buy and create more demand for electric cars and trucks. We will increase our efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions, create a clean energy economy, and stand for environmental justice. ...
https://medium.com/@ClimateMayors/clima ... 566e260097

:twothumbsup:

Kim
Wow...doing things without the federal gov't...wow....what a concept.

Wouldn't it even be more cool if there were like 50 different states that could like, you know, make decisions based on some rights granted to them by a Constitution? By like an article? Maybe the tenth one? That would be like super swell. Something like, "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." If this were like a thing, then different states could like do the things they thought were important and stuff, you know, just like what these trail blazing mayors are doing. Wow maaan.....

Unreal if this is a revelation to anyone. Perhaps if the Constitution was actually read with eyes people would find many things that they stumble upon after wracking their brains at what they see most politicians doing.

Serenity now. :|


(Kim, 98% of that sarcasm is not for you...just 2 ;) )
Australia has more similarities with the US than most Americans know.
We have a federal system, like you. We have a right-wing party which is pro-business and anti climate action like you. We have state governments (not 50, but the same idea) which are often not of the same political party as our federal government, and city administrations with a fair bit of power too, like you. Our Tea Party equivalent is a separate party, not an element within the (presently) governing party, but it is at least as bad (drum roll, please, for Senator Malcom Roberts) -
In a notable early exchange, One Nation Senator Malcolm Roberts cited a hoax paper titled 'The Conceptual Penis as a Social Construct' to call into question ‘peer reviewed’ research, which is often used as the marker to demonstrate global consensus on climate science.
“In that they claim that penises cause climate change,” Senator Roberts said.
“The point I’m getting at is that that was published in a social sciences – admittedly – paper. But it has credibility as it’s been peer reviewed.”
:rolleye:
Go on, read the whole thing: http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national ... arliament/ :jumping:

So (getting back to my previous post) the idea that one level of government may declare independence from another on any given issue is absolutely normal to me. All I was doing was pointing out that, on this issue, the consensus for action is so broad that the vacuum left by federal inaction is quickly filled by action at more local levels. Actually, a bit more than pointing out: celebrating.
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Trump isn't as important as he thinks he is (could anyone be that important? really?) and we can keep right on decarbonising without him. And we will.

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:05 pm

Think Progress on the likely consequences of Trump's action: https://thinkprogress.org/wont-always-h ... 718470b3de

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by SDC » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:07 pm

Kim OHara wrote:...
So (getting back to my previous post) the idea that one level of government may declare independence from another on any given issue is absolutely normal to me. All I was doing was pointing out that, on this issue, the consensus for action is so broad that the vacuum left by federal inaction is quickly filled by action at more local levels. Actually, a bit more than pointing out: celebrating.
:twothumbsup:
Trump isn't as important as he thinks he is (could anyone be that important? really?) and we can keep right on decarbonising without him. And we will.

:jedi:
Kim
Exactly! Checks and balances. The panic needs to stop and effort needs to be put into other viable directions instead of trying to deal with the executive branch as if it is the ruler of the world. The more people who give that impression and constantly reel against it, not only do you end up believing that it is true, you waste time trying to diminish power and influence that isn't actually there.

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by chownah » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:27 pm

SDC wrote:
chownah wrote:
SDC wrote: Wow...doing things without the federal gov't...wow....what a concept.

Wouldn't it even be more cool if there were like 50 different states that could like, you know, make decisions based on some rights granted to them by a Constitution? By like an article? Maybe the tenth one? That would be like super swell. Something like, "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." If this were like a thing, then different states could like do the things they thought were important and stuff, you know, just like what these trail blazing mayors are doing. Wow maaan.....

Unreal if this is a revelation to anyone. Perhaps if the Constitution was actually read with eyes people would find many things that they stumble upon after wracking their brains at what they see most politicians doing.

Serenity now. :|


(Kim, 98% of that sarcasm is not for you...just 2 ;) )
Wouldn't it be even more cool if the constitution was amended so that phasing out of carbon emitting fuels was mandated to happen in 10 years!!!!
Trying to stay on topic here......are you?
chownah
Sounds good, chownah. So elect LAWMAKERS to go to WASHINGTON DC to AMEND the CONSTITUTION instead of supporting weak gestural agreements that no one is actually obligated to follow.
Wow!! I think it would be really cool if people did BOTH!....push for an amendment AND support weak gestural agreements that no one is actually obligated to follow...and then follow them. Following weak gestural agreements which one does not have to follow is the way that leadership is displayed...and the way that the moral authority to be a leader is displayed.....trump has just shown how the usa is not a leader in this and is not displaying the moral authority to be a leader....of course if you look at what gov'ts the usa has supported all throughout history it is not like the lack of moral authority to be a leader is something new inre the usa.

Side discussion: Sounds like you are thinking that the president should not have the authority to enter into agreements internationally without the consent of congress. Is this right? If this is right then should the states have the authority to do so without the consent of the federal gov't?....like nebraska can sign a climate agreement with north korea if they want? I think that maybe the states should be able to do this and that the federal gov't should too...and why not include counties and cities as well. The more climate agreement the better!....and why stop with climate agreement? Why not tulsa oklahoma signing a nuclear non proliferation treaty with russia...or maybe just with vladivostok?...sounds great to me!!!

Maybe I have strayed off topic somewhat. I'll try to do better and stay on topic if the other posters here do too.
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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by chownah » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:34 pm

News flash from cnn (chownah news network):
A biased pole has shown conclusively that alot of people think that doing whatever can be done to stop climate change and thus save millions if not billions of people from death by starvation and other often deadly hardships is way more important than the details of the governmental organisation of the democratic countries of the world.

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

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chownah wrote:News flash from cnn (chownah news network):
A biased pole has shown conclusively that alot of people think that doing whatever can be done to stop climate change and thus save millions if not billions of people from death by starvation and other often deadly hardships is way more important than the details of the governmental organisation of the democratic countries of the world.

chownah
And wouldn't it be nice if such nobility were enough, but the situation is that the world is not yet equipped to sufficiently operate lawfully on a global level and certainly not on the mere passion of its citizens. We opted, and continue to settle for our respective systems of governance; those systems are equipped with a process for the creation of rules to regulate the actions of its citizens; and until such a time where there is such a system (and process) globally, such agreements are nothing but fluff, so putting eggs in those baskets can be emotionally and financially risky. Like you say, you need both.

Either we can deal our respective frameworks or burn them down or we can choke them real slowly or just complain about them. Which is easier?

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:53 pm

SDC wrote:
chownah wrote:News flash from cnn (chownah news network):
A biased pole has shown conclusively that alot of people think that doing whatever can be done to stop climate change and thus save millions if not billions of people from death by starvation and other often deadly hardships is way more important than the details of the governmental organisation of the democratic countries of the world.

chownah
And wouldn't it be nice if such nobility were enough, but the situation is that the world is not yet equipped to sufficiently operate lawfully on a global level and certainly not on the mere passion of its citizens. We opted, and continue to settle for our respective systems of governance; those systems are equipped with a process for the creation of rules to regulate the actions of its citizens; and until such a time where there is such a system (and process) globally, such agreements are nothing but fluff, so putting eggs in those baskets can be emotionally and financially risky. Like you say, you need both.

Either we can deal our respective frameworks or burn them down or we can choke them real slowly or just complain about them. Which is easier?
You seem to have missed Chownah's point entirely, SDC. All he said was that doing whatever can be done to stop climate change is way more important than talking about systems of government. I agree.

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by SDC » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:59 pm

Kim OHara wrote:
SDC wrote:And wouldn't it be nice if such nobility were enough, but the situation is that the world is not yet equipped to sufficiently operate lawfully on a global level and certainly not on the mere passion of its citizens. We opted, and continue to settle for our respective systems of governance; those systems are equipped with a process for the creation of rules to regulate the actions of its citizens; and until such a time where there is such a system (and process) globally, such agreements are nothing but fluff, so putting eggs in those baskets can be emotionally and financially risky. Like you say, you need both.

Either we can deal our respective frameworks or burn them down or we can choke them real slowly or just complain about them. Which is easier?
You seem to have missed Chownah's point entirely, SDC. All he said was that doing whatever can be done to stop climate change is way more important than talking about systems of government. I agree.

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Hi Kim,

I understood his point entirely, and it is because people (not chownah, not you necessarily) want to ignore or wish away or not talk about these systems that they are not understood and are unable to be used effectively. They cannot be written out of the equation no matter how ominous they have been built up to be.

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Re: Global Warming: Recent Data

Post by Kim OHara » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:06 pm

Okay ... :focus:
which is climate change, not politics (however hard they are to separate).
From the parallel thread on the other Wheel:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... hdrawing-/

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