Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

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Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by lyallben » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:15 am

Just wanted to mention the often brutal goings on in Sri Lanka. An English Red Cross worker was killed allegedly by a prominent Sri Lankan politician, when he intervened to stop the politician from assaulting his girlfriend.The girlfriend was assaulted and raped. The politician seems to be protected by the President.
Government in Sri Lanka seems little more than a license to steal.Opposition is extremely dangerous.
Sangha and nationalism are a dangerous mixture.
It seems to me that there is little hope for this dangerous, corrupt country. The corruption is so entrenched, cynical and pervasive.

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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by Nyorai » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:41 am

Without karma education of past and future as a basis for humanity goal. It is quite difficult for them to enjoy love and peace of themselves and others. What you are seeing is basically the bad fruit of the past life of eating meats. The only solution for them is karma education. Most of the time is beyond sangha in that situation as those nationalic is not educated on the sangha way of life. Unless the sangha themselves arent sangha... :anjali:
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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by BlackBird » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:39 am

Sri Lanka is quite corrupt. I noticed a lot of it when I was there, and a few Singhalese told me some quite heart rending stories resulting from such corruption. Surely the government is run by a pseudo dictator, the cronyism in the government is rife, with Mahinda Rajapaksa putting a variety of his family into power. Rajapaksa along with a number of those both formerly and currently in the armed forces should really be on trial for war crimes for the genocide of Tamil civilians.

Sri Lankan politics is quite fascinating. With a very tragic history.
Nyorai wrote:Without karma education of past and future as a basis for humanity goal. It is quite difficult for them to enjoy love and peace of themselves and others. What you are seeing is basically the bad fruit of the past life of eating meats. The only solution for them is karma education. Most of the time is beyond sangha in that situation as those nationalic is not educated on the sangha way of life. Unless the sangha themselves arent sangha... :anjali:
Excuse me but murder and corruption are not the result of bad fruit from "the past life of eating meats".
Can you please cease your crusade against eating meat. You are actually making bad kamma for yourself by misrepresenting the teaching of the Buddha.
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'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." - MN. 70 Kitagiri Sutta

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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by Ben » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:50 am

BlackBird wrote:
Nyorai wrote:Without karma education of past and future as a basis for humanity goal. It is quite difficult for them to enjoy love and peace of themselves and others. What you are seeing is basically the bad fruit of the past life of eating meats. The only solution for them is karma education. Most of the time is beyond sangha in that situation as those nationalic is not educated on the sangha way of life. Unless the sangha themselves arent sangha... :anjali:
Excuse me but murder and corruption are not the result of bad fruit from "the past life of eating meats".
Can you please cease your crusade against eating meat. You are actually making bad kamma for yourself by misrepresenting the teaching of the Buddha.
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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by Cassandra » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:21 am

BlackBird wrote:Sri Lanka is quite corrupt. I noticed a lot of it when I was there, and a few Singhalese told me some quite heart rending stories resulting from such corruption. Surely the government is run by a pseudo dictator, the cronyism in the government is rife, with Mahinda Rajapaksa putting a variety of his family into power. Rajapaksa along with a number of those both formerly and currently in the armed forces should really be on trial for war crimes for the genocide of Tamil civilians.

Sri Lankan politics is quite fascinating. With a very tragic history.
Nyorai wrote:Without karma education of past and future as a basis for humanity goal. It is quite difficult for them to enjoy love and peace of themselves and others. What you are seeing is basically the bad fruit of the past life of eating meats. The only solution for them is karma education. Most of the time is beyond sangha in that situation as those nationalic is not educated on the sangha way of life. Unless the sangha themselves arent sangha... :anjali:
Excuse me but murder and corruption are not the result of bad fruit from "the past life of eating meats".
Can you please cease your crusade against eating meat. You are actually making bad kamma for yourself by misrepresenting the teaching of the Buddha.
I agree with your post completely. I am currently visiting Sri Lanka and getting a first hand experience of its many corruptions. I am here only temporarily and I must say the country is going downhill very fast.

There is just so much corruption and even the justice system was recently shattered through political forces. It is sad the state of the people here. There is nothing much here in terms of quality of life. Even the weather is scorching and burning.

I apologize any Sri Lankan friends here in this forum if my words are hurtful in any way but I am just telling my own personal experience. I have travelled to many countries but this is one of the worst places I have been to. I am sorry friends but that is just my opinion. The weather, the living standards and people's hard-core racist attitudes equal this place to a 'living hell'. I don't know if this is a realistic statement but perhaps it is bad kamma to be born in places like these because I see a lot of talented and skilled people here suffering just because they just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by Cassandra » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:25 am

Are there any others here who are currently in Sri Lanka by the way? Wondering if a meetup is possible for coffee or something. :smile:

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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by BlackBird » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:34 am

I think calling it a living hell is perhaps a step too far.

Honestly I don't think it's going down hill economically, if anything there are more jobs and opportunities today than ever before in Sri Lanka - Their economy grew a whopping 6.7% IIRC last year - One of the top rates of growth in the whole world. Also, there is a fundamental level of safety for civilians these days. Even during the intermittent years of peace during the Eelam war era there was an instability, and a real feeling that you could leave your house in the morning and not come home in the evening. So really I think there have been some good steps forward in Sri Lanka under Rajapaksa. It's just a shame Rajapaksa and his cronies are squeezing the neck of political and journalistic freedom and instituting their own form of authoritarianism, especially for a nation that has (at least for the Singhalese) actually been a fairly well functioning democracy.

A lot of what you mention is just the way life is outside of the West. It's by no means endemic to Sri Lanka.
I'd love to go back there some day. There are a lot of genuinely good people over there.
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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by Cassandra » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:00 am

BlackBird wrote:I think calling it a living hell is perhaps a step too far.

Honestly I don't think it's going down hill economically, if anything there are more jobs and opportunities today than ever before in Sri Lanka - Their economy grew a whopping 6.7% IIRC last year - One of the top rates of growth in the whole world.
I'm sorry I didn't know that. I heard that the rates are tweaked but not sure. All I see here are people struggling to live, streets covered with beggars and very badly clad and unkempt homeless kids, drug addicts etc. Almost everybody I talk to complain about the economy and inflation. Isn't the government under heavy debt and destroying money on poorly-planned, short-sighted investments like air ports and harbors? They are both unsustainable and irrational considering the other projects they can take over which can really help people out. :shrug:
BlackBird wrote: There are a lot of genuinely good people over there.
I agree. The talent pool is impressive over here. If they had the right kind of resources they would easily take over some of the developed countries. Unfortunately people's minds are muddled by racism.

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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by Cassandra » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:01 am

Are you Sri Lankan BlackBird?

I don't see how you think the economy here has grown because a lot of people here struggle to go to the west for better lives. The country cannot even retain its talent pool.

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Post by BlackBird » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:17 am

No no I'm white. I just spent a few months over there in 2009 when I was considering ordaining.
I only know what I read in the newspapers. There is a lot of poverty in Sri Lanka for sure, always has been (probably always will). Maybe things are not getting better - I don't know. You're there on the ground, I'm not.

I do think things are generally better than they were during the war though.

You mention Sri Lanka's emigration as a reason to doubt the country has grown economically, but you must remember even solid growth isn't going to compare with the West when Sri Lanka is starting out from such a poor position. Things are getting relatively better. You're never going to stop people going to the West to get better jobs... I don't see them conceivably ever having a median income of $30,000 like we do here in NZ, but I imagine it is improving slowly.
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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by Cassandra » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:32 am

BlackBird wrote:No no I'm white. I just spent a few months over there in 2009 when I was considering ordaining.
I only know what I read in the newspapers. There is a lot of poverty in Sri Lanka for sure, always has been (probably always will). Maybe things are not getting better - I don't know. You're there on the ground, I'm not.

I do think things are generally better than they were during the war though.

You mention Sri Lanka's emigration as a reason to doubt the country has grown economically, but you must remember even solid growth isn't going to compare with the West when Sri Lanka is starting out from such a poor position. Things are getting relatively better. You're never going to stop people going to the West to get better jobs... I don't see them conceivably ever having a median income of $30,000 like we do here in NZ, but I imagine it is improving slowly.
I don't know man, I am a westerner too but I have been here on and off for a year or so for different reasons. All I see is inflation increasing and quality of life getting worse along with people's attitudes, which are even worse than they used to be during the time of war. The Sinhalese-Buddhist masses seem to tend towards extremist nationalism maybe due to post-war militarization and tyranny. They are increasingly intolerant towards minor races and religions. There have been recent attacks on muslims by a politically motivated Buddhist group of monks. Read http://dbsjeyaraj.com/dbsj/archives/17453

But hats off to the current government for ending the war.

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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by BlackBird » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:38 am

I know there is some disgusting intolerance in Sri Lanka. But I don't think this is representative of the majority of the population.

I didn't realize inflation was so bad. When I was there it was at an all time low (~5% after a decade of almost double digit annual inflation). I don't have stats for the past couple of years but this website illustrates my point:
http://www.indexmundi.com/sri_lanka/inf ... ices).html

But as I said, you're the one who's on the ground, you're seeing the day to day lives and if you say it's bad - Who am I do doubt you.

I wouldn't say hats off to the Government. Sure, they ended the war, but they slaughtered ~ 100,000 civilians in the process (UN estimate)
http://www.genocidewatch.org/srilanka.html
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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by Cassandra » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:51 am

BlackBird wrote: but they slaughtered ~ 100,000 civilians in the process (UN estimate)
http://www.genocidewatch.org/srilanka.html
Majority either denies it or believes it was inevitable. Anyway, I'm glad I'll be out of here soon.

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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by rowyourboat » Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:55 pm

US defence budget for foreign operations: $600 billion.
UK defence budget: £45 billion
Sri Lanka total GDP: $6 billion.
Number of countries destroyed by Sri Lanka: 0
Number of countries made financially dependant by Sri Lanka: 0
Number of countries destabilised by Sri Lanka: 0

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Re: Killing and Corruption in Sri Lanka

Post by BlackBird » Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:55 pm

rowyourboat wrote:US defence budget for foreign operations: $600 billion.
UK defence budget: £45 billion
Sri Lanka total GDP: $6 billion.
Number of countries destroyed by Sri Lanka: 0
Number of countries made financially dependant by Sri Lanka: 0
Number of countries destabilised by Sri Lanka: 0

Morality, for who? Open your eyes.
Hi rowyourboat. I think a better reflection might be the Defense budget to GDP ratio. I.e. since Sri Lanka's economy is much smaller than that of the US and UK economies, they will naturally spend much less, but perhaps not much less as a ratio of their total GDP.
During 2008 (at the end of the war) Sri Lanka's defense budget as a percentage of GDP was 3.7% (it's now 2.6%). In the same year - 2008 - The United Kingdom's defense budget as a % was 2.5%

So historically Sri Lanka has actually had a significantly higher expenditure of it's budget on defence than the UK. The USA out of interest sits around 4.8% which is significantly higher still.

Anyway, you're right that Sri Lanka hasn't destabilised any foreign nations. But the government has killed 100,000 civilians during the war, and left many more homeless and displaced. While there's no doubt the LTTE had to be disposed of, the war was not a clean one, it went far beyond collateral damage and resulted in intentional genocide of Tamils. There are without a doubt parties within the army guilty of war crimes, and they should be brought to justice without nationalistic sentiment getting in the way. Just fyi I happen to think George Bush , Cheney & Rumsfeld should also be put on trial, so please do not think my opinion in this matter is biased.

I am afraid that nationalistic pride and sentiment threatens the progress of human rights in Sri Lanka. It's unfortunate that some people (and I'm not suggesting you) have a habit of jumping to the defense of those in power simply in virtue of the fact that they're Sinhalese, this is wrong - It shouldn't matter what race or colour one's skin is - A war crime is a war crime.
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