The Truth About The Rohingya Lie

[retrofuturist]

Greetings chownah,

so, retrofuturist, perhaps you should please calm down.

Don't worry, I'm cool.



From my perspective, we're all against murder, all against rape, all against violence, all against dislocation and the wanton destruction of property. (Someone correct me here, if I'm wrong...)

I find it odd then, that there's so much...

"Team A is violating Team B!"
"No, Team B is violating Team A!"
"No, no, they're violating one another!"
"Oh, but what about Team C?!"

The "who" part is the most boring part, yet it's the aspect most people seem hung up on... and for what purpose? We know what's kusala, we know what's akusala... so why all the hyped-up drama, accusations and aspersions?



Metta,
Paul.

[Pseudobabble]

Greetings Chownah,

Please calm down.

Metta,
Paul.

Thank you for your concern....if I was more calmed down I would be sleeping....maybe you would rather I be sleeping!

You might also want me to calm down out of concern for pseudobabble.....but I'm not sure why you would be concerned about that because we really can't know about pseudobabble or his moods or reactions anymore than we can know about what is happening in the world by reading the news. This "pseudobabble" poster is unverifiable. To paraphrase pseudobabble, "I have no way of knowing what the truth really is retrofuturist, despite his posts and blah blah."

So, taking pseudobabbles perspective there is no reason to take his existence seriously at all in spite of his posts and blah blah.....so, retrofuturist, perhaps you should please calm down.

chownah

Now you're getting it! What can we really know for sure? Who am I anyway, or you, for that matter? Is what we read true, or is it just someone else's view?

[retrofuturist]

Greetings,

Now you're getting it! What can we really know for sure? Who am I anyway, or you, for that matter? Is what we read true, or is it just someone else's view?

Keep it quiet though....



... or someone might call you a solipsist.



Metta,
Paul.

[Kusala]

[lyndon taylor]

Now for the mainstream ABC news from Australia, or "fake news" as some of our posters would have it!!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-14/r ... sf/9260552

[chownah]

Greetings chownah,

so, retrofuturist, perhaps you should please calm down.

Don't worry, I'm cool.



From my perspective, we're all against murder, all against rape, all against violence, all against dislocation and the wanton destruction of property. (Someone correct me here, if I'm wrong...)

I find it odd then, that there's so much...

"Team A is violating Team B!"
"No, Team B is violating Team A!"
"No, no, they're violating one another!"
"Oh, but what about Team C?!"

The "who" part is the most boring part, yet it's the aspect most people seem hung up on... and for what purpose? We know what's kusala, we know what's akusala... so why all the hyped-up drama, accusations and aspersions?



Metta,
Paul.

If there is an identifiable "who" that is actually perpretrating violence on some other "who" then I find the attitude you express in this post as being enabling and just what the perpretrator of violence would want. If there is a gov't (I'm being theoretical) which wants to abuse a minority (this is theoretic but everyone knows that this happens all throughout history....of course we only have evidence from news reports and blah blah so we can always say we don't really know for sure....even those abuses that have had massive historic consequences we can say we can not be sure that they even happened at all based on present phenomenology) then don't you think it is good if people don't get bored with who is doing it but actually find out who is doing it and stop that who from doing it? Of course we can't be sure of anything....so....how many times have we been wrong? (at the societal level)....how many times have the wrong armies been accused of rape and pillaging?....we can't know for sure can we....oh well, if I hear someone screaming for help I don't realliy know if they need help or not...maybe they have been abusing someone and now someone else has stopped them and they are screaming for help to foil the person who is stopping them from abusing......we can't know for sure......
So....people might say...."oh! no! that is not what I am suggesting at all....we should do something" and yet here we are in a discussion about people being abused and the response of some posting seems to be "well, I really can't know for sure" with the implication or consequence (perhaps unintended) that "since I can't know for sure there is really nothing for me to do".
Enabling/encouraging paralysis and apathy.
If people actualy care and want to know what to do then go do whatever it takes to find out so that you can have some degree of certainty about what to do. Go find those new articles and videos from five years ago (or more if necessary) and study them. This is difficult but you only should do this because you weren't paying attention five years ago (or more) about what is happening in the world....so....go get those news article and videos.....analyse the clothing and speech of the various participants and determing who is being abused and who is the abuser....its not hard to tell when a monk is at the head of a mob of people with implements of destruction getting ready to evict and destroy that it is probably not muslims in that mob that is set to evict and destroy....it is not difficult to tell that when a prominent buddhist monk makes public statements condoning the eviction and destruction (even to the point of bodily harm) that it is not muslims doing the eviction an destruction. BUT YOU CAN'T BE SURE CAN YOU......IT IS ONLY WHAT IS READILY AVAILABLE IN THE NEWS BLAH BLAH....
The myanmar gov't hasn't stopped the violence whoever is doing it and there are more people on all sides that seem to be getting into the act.....and you can believe me that making statements like "I can't really be sure who it is or even if it is happening at all because it is just news blah blah and you can't really know anything anyway" is going to help to force that gov't to do something. Are you aware that the gov't has historically been known to abuse minorities and to violently quash minorities's attempts to gain their rights even when the minorities try to do it from within the structure of existing laws...and I am not talking about muslims...if you are not burmese then buckle under buddy because you are under the burmese thumb. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE MYANMAR GOV'T'S HISTORY OF ABUSING MINORITIES? BUT YOU CAN'T BE SURE CAN YOU......IT IS ONLY WHAT IS READILY AVAILABLE IN THE NEWS BLAH BLAH....NOTHING CAN BE KNOWN FOR SURE....

Don't worry, I'm cool.
chownah

[Lucas Oliveira]

MSF estimates more than 6,700 Rohingya killed in Myanmar

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42348214
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/14/asia/ ... index.html

[Kusala]

[binocular]

The "who" part is the most boring part, yet it's the aspect most people seem hung up on... and for what purpose? We know what's kusala, we know what's akusala... so why all the hyped-up drama, accusations and aspersions?

Because it hit so close to home. It's Buddhists, of all people, that are being accused of violence against innocent people. How can proper, native Asian Buddhists that we Westerners should to look up to, do such things? And, more subversively, fierce accusations of others as a projective way for some Buddhists to deny their own problematic tendencies. Someone should do a study on whether there is a correlation between A: identifying oneself as a Buddhist and fiercely criticizing the Buddhists in Burma, and B: identifying oneself as a Buddhist and supporting the breaking of precepts in the name of compassion or skillfulness.

[binocular]

The myanmar gov't hasn't stopped the violence whoever is doing it and there are more people on all sides that seem to be getting into the act.....and you can believe me that making statements like "I can't really be sure who it is or even if it is happening at all because it is just news blah blah and you can't really know anything anyway" is going to help to force that gov't to do something. Are you aware that the gov't has historically been known to abuse minorities and to violently quash minorities's attempts to gain their rights even when the minorities try to do it from within the structure of existing laws...and I am not talking about muslims...if you are not burmese then buckle under buddy because you are under the burmese thumb.

That's a problem for the type of Buddhist (whether of Asian or Western provenance) who is an Asian supremacist; ie. the type of Buddhist who believes that only Asians have the right kind of Buddhism and that if anyone wants to get to nirvana, one has to follow the Asian Buddhist way.

[Kusala]

[chownah]

From the wikipedia article "2013 Myanmar anti-Muslim riots":

March riots in Meiktila[edit]

Tensions between Buddhist and Muslim ethnic groups flared into violent clashes in Meiktila, Mandalay Division on 20 March and continued until the 22nd, killing at least 40 and wounding 61 people. The violence started on 20 March after a Muslim gold shop owner, his wife, and two Muslim employees assaulted a Buddhist customer and her husband in an argument over a golden hairpin. A large mob formed and began to destroy the shop. The heavily outnumbered police reportedly told the mob to disperse after they had destroyed the shop.[3] In the evening, a local Buddhist monk not involved in the incident was dragged from his bicycle, doused in petrol, and burnt alive by six Muslim youths at a nearby mosque.[4] The killing of the monk caused the relatively contained situation to explode, greatly increasing intensity and violence.[3]

The deadliest incident occurred when a Buddhist mob attacked and torched the Mingalar Zayone Islamic Boarding School. While outnumbered security forces stood by, rioters armed with machetes, metal pipes, chains, and stones killed 32 teenage students and four teachers.[5]

On 25 March, communal rioting targeting Muslim houses and mosques spread to the towns of Othekone, Tatkone and Yamenthin. At least 9,000 residents were documented to have been displaced by the violence.[6] In April, the BBC obtained a leaked police video showing outnumbered police officers standing by while rioters torched houses and businesses in Meiktila. The video also shows the burning and killing of at least two Muslim students at the hands of rioters, which included Buddhist monks. The video was captured to prosecute the perpetrators later in court. On the third day, the situation stabilised when the government declared a state of emergency and deployed military troops.[3]

On 21 May, seven Muslims, including the gold shop owner and those who perpetrated the murder of the monk, were convicted for inciting the unrest and jailed from 2 up to 28 years. In July, the Burmese courts sentenced 25 Buddhists to up to 15 years in prison for murder and other crimes during the riot.[1]

chownah

[BlackBird]

You know, when this campaign of hatred, rape, pilagging and downright murder was in its infancy I remember trying to kick up a stink about one of its chiefs, a so called monk. I remember getting what was a lukewarm response here at best.

I came here today hoping to see that real Buddhists would finally be standing up against those who are commiting atrocious acts in the name of our religion that are completely antithetical to what we as Buddhists supossedly stand for.

Instead I see more than a couple of people I used to respect posting conspiracy theories about how the ethnic cleansing is fake news.

Shame on you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/opin ... adesh.html

[mikenz66]

Yes, the "Fake News" meme seems to be in the ascendancy. Personally, I've given up reading such posts, and arguing with them is, by definition, pointless, since that's dismissed as just more "Fake news"...


Mike

[Kusala]