Donate with a budget.

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SarathW
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Donate with a budget.

Postby SarathW » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:12 am

This year I start keeping a record of my donations.
I think Buddha said give without measuring.
But the problem of not having a plan is that we do not do it at all.
What is the most reasonable Dana for a year? (in USD)
What constitute a Dana? (Does this include Christmas Presents or giving to love ones?)
What about the Dana in terms of labour?
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby ganegaar » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:31 pm

I think even a present given as a social norm, with intension of metta and karuna, is still a daana.
More important a yard stick I think is, "did I expect anything in return?", had I expected anything in return, it is no daana, its more a transaction!.

What is the most reasonable Dana for a year? (in USD)

There is a classic example from Jesus.

The Widow’s Offering
And he (jesus) sat down opposite the treasury and watched the people putting money into the offering box. Many rich people put in large sums.
And a poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which make a penny.
And he called his disciples to him and said to them, “Truly, I say to you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the offering box.
For they all contributed out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on. And because of that she is truely blessed”
Mark 12:42
Sīlepatiṭṭhāya naro sapañño, cittaṃ paññañca bhāvayaṃ;
Ātāpī nipako bhikkhu, so imaṃ vijaṭaye jaṭanti.

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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby perkele » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:14 pm

The Buddha actually gave some quite clear advice for a rough budget plan to the young Sigalaka (or whatever his exact name was). I think it was something like:

One half invested in your businesses.
One quarter for your own needs and enjoyment.
One quarter given to the virtuous and those in need.

Not sure exactly. Can't look it up or quote now so easily. See Sigalovada sutta (DN 22 ?).

Maybe a really good idea to try and test it out, follow it verbatim to see the results. :)

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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby SarathW » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:42 pm

Maybe a really good idea to try and test it out, follow it verbatim to see the results. :)


Good in theory but not in practice.
Now days tax man take 40%!
Living expenses are so high people have high debts. (student loans etc)
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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby SarathW » Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:50 pm

but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had


Again a good story but not practical.
If you give everything you have, how do you live yourself?
Even in a plain crash you wearing the mask first before attending to others.
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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby Mkoll » Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:42 am

perkele wrote:The Buddha actually gave some quite clear advice for a rough budget plan to the young Sigalaka (or whatever his exact name was). I think it was something like:

One half invested in your businesses.
One quarter for your own needs and enjoyment.
One quarter given to the virtuous and those in need.

Not sure exactly. Can't look it up or quote now so easily. See Sigalovada sutta (DN 22 ?).

Maybe a really good idea to try and test it out, follow it verbatim to see the results. :)

Very close.

DN 22 wrote:With wealth acquired this way,
a layman fit for household life,
in portions four divides his wealth:
thus will he friendship win.

One portion for his wants he uses,[7]
two portions on his business spends,
the fourth for times of need he keeps.

7. This portion includes what is spent on good works: gifts to monks, charity, etc.

So whatever portion of 25% that you can give, depending on your financial situation, you should. Post-tax income, of course. :P
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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby ganegaar » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:39 am

Again a good story but not practical.
If you give everything you have, how do you live yourself?


IMHO morale of the story is, you might donate million dollars, but you would still be out shadowed by someone who donates 2 cents., intention far far out weigh the quantity.

PS:
To avoid any misunderstanding of quoting Jesus here:
A daana is a daana, it has no religious political color, it is just a good kamma with good fruits.
And of Jesus, personally I find it very difficult to reconcile with his father!, but I do deeply honor the man (jesus) for what he was, he had very noble qualities!.
Sīlepatiṭṭhāya naro sapañño, cittaṃ paññañca bhāvayaṃ;
Ātāpī nipako bhikkhu, so imaṃ vijaṭaye jaṭanti.

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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby ganegaar » Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:48 am

With wealth acquired this way,


I suppose we have to bring in some accounting to reconcile "wealth acquired" with salary these days, it can be:
1. before tax
2. after tax
3. after tax and liabilities such as loan repayments, mandatory utility bills, any other binding financial contracts, etc.

I would like to use the 3 above., (and I suppose Buddha meant also that because if one has a financial obligation to pay out, that is not ones own wealth, its someone else wealth)
Now i am left with the remaining, that I have the power to decide to eat from a posh restaurant, wear Prada or home cook a humble way and so on..
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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby DC2R » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:09 pm

SarathW wrote:But the problem of not having a plan is that we do not do it at all.
What is the most reasonable Dana for a year? (in USD)

Just to offer some perspective, around the first of every month I donate $10 to an organization that I support, whether it is related to Buddhism or not.

This is what I can afford now as a college student, and having this consistency helps a lot.
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Re: Donate with a budget.

Postby SarathW » Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:32 pm

the first of every month I donate $10 to an organization that I support


Agree.
This is what many people do.
In my case I got many organisations I want to help.
So I can't stick only to one.
Some years I give all my donation amount to one organisation and other years I spread the amount to various organisations.
Specially in cases like natural disasters I feel that I have to do something about it.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”


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