SarathW had said:
This is one of the biggest damage done by Ven. Abhaya.
One of my friends went to his workshop and claimed that she also attained Jhana.
This is irresponsible propaganda!
By the way, the video is in the English language you all can evaluate this yourself.
Just because someone cannot attain jhanas
, it is not logical to say jhanas
cannot be attained by anyone.
correspond to brahma
realms in this world. They can be attained by at least suppressing kama raga
even without magga phala
states have clearly defined characteristics. In particular, at the fourth jhana
: "“Great king, suppose a man were to be sitting covered from the head down by a white cloth, so that there would be no part of his entire body not suffused by the white cloth. In the same way, great king, the bhikkhu sits suffusing his body with a pure bright mind, so that there is no part of his entire body not suffused by a pure bright mind.."
The above is from the Sutta Central translation of DN2, Sāmaññaphala Sutta
That fourth jhana
has been experienced by many people in recent days, and their descriptions match the above sutta
description. The Swedish lady's description matches that too. It may not be very clear since both that lady and Abhaya Thero are not very good in speaking English.
I don't know whether those who have attained jhana
have magga phala
or not. That cannot be determined just by being able to get to jhanas
and magga phala
are two different things. One can attain magga phala
without attaining jhanas
Furthermore, it is also a myth that magga phala
cannot be attained these days. Of course magga phala
cannot be attained by misinterpreting anicca
as just impermanence or anatta
as "no-self". One needs to see the unfruitfulness (and the dangers) in pursuing material things (sense pleasures) in this world to attain magga phala
, i.e., one needs to see the anicca
is much deeper than just impermanence.