The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:09 pm

Ven Says:
Doubt (Vicikitcha) does not mean doubt.
What it means is ignoring the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha.
Doubt about re-birth, Nibbana is not considered as doubt.
It comes under the investigation.
Ignoring re-birth and Nibbana considered as doubt.

http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD087-09
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:10 pm

Ven. Says:
If a person listen to the Dhamma with attention, he is in the first Jhana.
He specially mention the word Savitakka, and Savikara. (Please compare this to Vitakka and Vikara)
At this moment his mind is free from (temporary) attachment, aversion.
Hence he possess Piti and Sukha.

http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD087-11
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby hsandeepani » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:00 am

SarathW wrote:Ven. Says:
If a person listen to the Dhamma with attention, he is in the first Jhana.
He specially mention the word Savitakka, and Savikara. (Please compare this to Vitakka and Vikara)
At this moment his mind is free from (temporary) attachment, aversion.
Hence he possess Piti and Sukha.

http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD087-11


I don't know how that statement matches with this extract from the suttas :

"There is the case where a monk — quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities — enters and remains in the first jhana: rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal, accompanied by directed thought and evaluation. He permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body with the rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded by rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal.

"Just as if a skilled bathman or bathman's apprentice would pour bath powder into a brass basin and knead it together, sprinkling it again and again with water, so that his ball of bath powder — saturated, moisture-laden, permeated within and without — would nevertheless not drip; even so, the monk permeates, suffuses and fills this very body with the rapture and pleasure born of withdrawal. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded by rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal..."

— AN 5.28

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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:00 am

Hi Hsanddeepani
May be you are correct but consider the following.

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Five factors are abandoned in the first jhana, and with five is it endowed. There is the case where, in a monk who has attained the first jhana, sensual desire is abandoned, ill will is abandoned, sloth & torpor is abandoned, restlessness & anxiety is abandoned, uncertainty is abandoned. And there occur directed thought, evaluation, rapture, pleasure, & singleness of mind. It's in this way that five factors are abandoned in the first jhana, and with five it is endowed."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

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I think these five factors are abandoned when you are listening to Dhamma.
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:29 am

Ven. says that the Sati (mindfulness) is not the remembering(knowledge).
For example a medical student has the knowledge but an experience doctor will have the Sati (It is not only the knowledge)

http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD082-13
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby katavedi » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:38 pm

Hello Sarath,

SarathW wrote:Ven. says that the Sati (mindfulness) is not the remembering(knowledge).
For example a medical student has the knowledge but an experience doctor will have the Sati (It is not only the knowledge)

http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD082-13


That reminds me of a paper I recently read by Patrick Kearney on sati, where he makes much the same point. The whole paper is worth reading, but here is the conclusion:

Returning to Ānanda’s description of mindfulness, we can begin to understand what he means:

"She has mindfulness; possessing supreme mindfulness and discrimination,
recalling and recollecting what was done and said long ago." (Sekha Sutta M53)

Mindfulness is linked to memory, in the sense that experience is memory. Let’s consider our experienced yoga teacher looking at a posture. She sees the posture in its depth and subtleties. To understand the posture in front of her she does not have to seek to recall all the lessons and training sessions she has gone through; she simply sees it, now. But that seeing contains her memories going back 30 years, and these memories manifest as present wisdom. Because of this depth, in simply seeing the posture the yoga teacher understands the posture.

This seeing and understanding which is contained within mindfulness has ethical implications. Once the brāhmaṇa Saṅgārava asked the Buddha about the nature of memory.

"Master Gotama, what is the cause and condition why sometimes even those things [mantā]
that have been recited over a long period are not clear, let alone those that have not been recited?
What is the cause and condition why sometimes those things that have not been recited over a long period are clear,
let alone those that have been recited?" (Saṅgārava Sutta, Bhojjhaṅga Saṃyutta)

India at the Buddha’s time was an oral culture, where all knowledge was memorised. Education involved training the memory, so there was a great interest among intellectuals about the workings of memory. Saṅgārava wants to understand how memory functions. Why are some things remembered, and some not? The Buddha turns his question around and speaks of memory in a deeper sense, that of mindfulness.

"Brāhmaṇa, when one lives with a mind possessed and oppressed by sensual
obsession [kāma-rāga], and does not understand realistically the way out from
arisen sensual obsession, at that time one neither understands nor sees
realistically one’s own good, or the good of others, or the good of both. Then even
those things that have been recited over a long period are not clear, let alone those
that have not been recited.

Brāhmaṇa, when one lives with a mind possessed and oppressed by hatred
[vyāpāda] … stiffness-&-torpor [thīna-middha] … restlessness-&-worry [uddhaccakukkucca]
… doubt [vicikicchā] and does not understand realistically the way out
from arisen doubt, at that time one neither understands nor sees realistically
one’s own good, or the good of others, or the good of both. Then even those
things that have been recited over a long period are not clear, let alone those that
have not been recited."

Asked about memory, the Buddha replies in terms of how it comes about that one does not “see and understand realistically one’s own good, or the good of others, or the good of both.” In a discourse on the five hindrances he links memory with meditation and the ethical sensitivity that meditation develops. The link between memory, meditation and ethics is mindfulness. Mindfulness is not simply concerned with experience and the wisdom that experience brings; it is concerned with the experience and wisdom that allows us to live a good life, a life in accordance with dharma.


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katavedi
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:32 pm

Thanks Katavedi.
Yes that is what Ven. is talking about.
He gave a good example.
A person with vulgar mind remember a vulgar joke when he here it first time but will not remember the Dhamm verse the same way.
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:22 am

Wonderful Dhamma talk.
Ven. says that the idea of the meditation is not to stop thinking (eg: Asannasatta).
It appears this is dangerous and wrong kind of meditation.
He suggest that we develop the perception of light (Aloka ) to overcome this problem.
Meditation is about the mind development so as to eliminate attachment, aversion and ignorance.


http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD082-26
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:52 pm

Ven. says:
Eliminating first three fetter alone will not suffice to become a Sotapanna.
Following Noble Eightfold Path is essential.
Fetters are the sign of the sickness.
Noble Eightfold Path is the medicine.

http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD081-02
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby k2deepa » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:46 am

Hi,

The very essence of Ven Waharaka Theros teachings have been captured in the following English language site.

https://puredhamma.net/

You may also send any dhamma questions you have to the site administrator, who is a very responsive.

I would recommend to start reading from the below link onwards, it explains in English why the classical interpretation of tilakshana is not accurate.

https://puredhamma.net/key-dhamma-concepts-that-have-been-hidden/anicca-dukkha-anatta/

Best Regards
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:16 pm

In the following Dhamma discussion Ven. W A argues that first precept include not only the killing but harming someone or blocking the ability to have a good life.
This means breaking someone's limbs also come under the first precept.
This may not be the generally accepted teaching.


http://www.waharaka.com/deshana/listen. ... d=CD064-15
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby aflatun » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:18 pm

Lal wrote:I have been asked by Ven. Sudithadeera (who is a disciple of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero) to join this discussion group. I have a website: https://puredhamma.net/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; that is built on the material that I learned from the Waharaka Thero. I would be happy to provide my input to any specific questions as well.
With metta, Lal


I had happened upon this website before finding this thread and read through some of the materials. I found this article and the series connected to it insightful and helpful, and I was unaware of the connection, thank you!

http://puredhamma.net/key-dhamma-concep ... ha-anatta/
"People often get too quick to say 'there's no self. There's no self...no self...no self.' There is self, there is focal point, its not yours. That's what not self is."

Ninoslav Ñāṇamoli
Senses and the Thought-1, 42:53

"Those who create constructs about the Buddha,
Who is beyond construction and without exhaustion,
Are thereby damaged by their constructs;
They fail to see the Thus-Gone.

That which is the nature of the Thus-Gone
Is also the nature of this world.
There is no nature of the Thus-Gone.
There is no nature of the world."

Nagarjuna
MMK XXII.15-16

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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:39 am

This wonderful monk passed away on 9/02/17 according to following web site.
:bow:
:candle: :candle: :candle:
https://puredhamma.net/about-me/
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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:41 pm

Now there is another monk in the lineage.
His name is Ven. Valasmulle Abaya.
His teaching is very good.
However, this lineage has some non-Theravada ideas. (Gandhabba is waiting for re-birth after one's death etc)
He also said your mother and father is the people who donated sperm and the egg when it comes to heinous kamma.
These are minor issues for me considering his other teachings.

Another interesting point here is he said that he has met some people who practice Islam prayer attained some kind of Jhana. (Aloka)
He attributes this to Christians as well.
The following video is in Sinhala language.

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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby Lal » Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:00 am

SarathW said:
However, this lineage has some non-Theravada ideas. (Gandhabba is waiting for re-birth after one's death etc)


Gandhabbaya is a key component in Buddha's teachings. There are sections in the Tipitaka on gandhabbaya. See, for example:
https://suttacentral.net/sn31

The key to the puzzle is that there is a difference between bhava and jathi. When one gets a human bhava (existence), one could be born (jathi) many times in succession until that kammic energy runs out. This is why people can recall past lives in recent past. Otherwise, since the human existence is very rare, how would one remember so recent past lives?
https://puredhamma.net/key-dhamma-conce ... s-therein/

Also, there is no "gap" between two adjacent "bhava", i.e., no "antarabhava". There is only a single thought moment between cuti (death in the current bhava) and patisandhi (grasping the next bhava). Death of the physical body is not the end of the current bhava, unless the kammic energy for the current bhava has runs out:
https://puredhamma.net/abhidhamma/cuti- ... scription/

With metta, Lal

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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby mario92 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:50 pm

SarathW wrote:Now there is another monk in the lineage.
His name is Ven. Valasmulle Abaya.
His teaching is very good.
However, this lineage has some non-Theravada ideas. (Gandhabba is waiting for re-birth after one's death etc)
He also said your mother and father is the people who donated sperm and the egg when it comes to heinous kamma.
These are minor issues for me considering his other teachings.

Another interesting point here is he said that he has met some people who practice Islam prayer attained some kind of Jhana. (Aloka)
He attributes this to Christians as well.
The following video is in Sinhala language.



I think this applies to petas that want to be born as humans
I think karma is the first topic we should understand before starting in meditation.

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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:54 am

Now he says "Nibbana is Atta"
This video in the Sinhalese language.

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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby Lal » Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:44 am

It just happens that I just published this post explaining why Nibbana is Atta:

https://puredhamma.net/key-dhamma-conce ... ical-link/

With metta, Lal

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Re: The teachings of Ven. Waharaka Abhayaratanalankara Thero

Postby SarathW » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:38 pm

Hi Lal
Ven Abhaya definitely got this wrong. Anatta- Lakkhana sutta gives a very clear definition of the meaning of Anatta.
I do not think we need to twist it in any other way.
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"Now, those that are impermanent, unsatisfactory, subject to change, is it proper to regard them as: 'They are mine, this I am, this is my self'?"

"Indeed, not that, O Lord."

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .mend.html
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