Real buddhist cannot take stress

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Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by form » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:38 am

I notice many and I am one of them. To non Buddhists this is an unjustifiable weakness, even a character flaw. :mrgreen:

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by Nicolas » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:17 am

Is this a joke? (i.e. Buddhists pursue the final end of dukkha and thus "can't take it", as opposed to others who see sukkha in what is dukkha?) Just checking.

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by retrofuturist » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:20 am

Greetings,

The only way this makes any sense whatsoever, is if it's suggesting that people are attracted to Buddhism in the first place because they want to improve their resilience toward stress, and to that extent there's a kind of 'self selection' involved in who becomes Buddhist.

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by ieee23 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:45 am

form wrote:I notice many and I am one of them. To non Buddhists this is an unjustifiable weakness, even a character flaw. :mrgreen:
There is a *grain* of truth in that. There are also Christians who do not know shit about love or caring for people. People are a work in a progress.

I think resilience is part training, and part being exposed to unfortunate events.
Whatever a bhikkhu frequently thinks and ponders upon, that will become the inclination of his mind. - MN 19

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by form » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:16 am

Having a predisposition to pain can be an advantage in making progress.

From the Sutta:
Suffering>faith>gladness>.......................................

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Post by SarathW » Sun Aug 20, 2017 5:49 am

Buddha reject both Kamasukllikanuyoga and Atthakilamathanuyoga and advocate Madyamapatipada, (middle path)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by robertk » Sun Aug 20, 2017 6:04 am

Real Buddhists can take stress very well indeed.
Even the Buddhist with a basic understanding of anatta knows that each moment is conditioned, uncontrollable and not self. Very relaxing to know this I would imagine.

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Post by binocular » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:39 am

robertk wrote:Even the Buddhist with a basic understanding of anatta knows that each moment is conditioned, uncontrollable and not self.

Very relaxing to know this I would imagine.
Not at all, as long as the knowledge is merely on the level of a claim one has heard from other people, as opposed to having realized it oneself.

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Post by binocular » Sun Aug 20, 2017 8:53 am

retrofuturist wrote:The only way this makes any sense whatsoever, is if it's suggesting that people are attracted to Buddhism in the first place because they want to improve their resilience toward stress, and to that extent there's a kind of 'self selection' involved in who becomes Buddhist.
It makes sense in the way that not just a few people make a point of claiming to be Buddhists, real Buddhists, but then it's as if the Buddhist practice has left no traces on them and they behave like everyone else who is not a Buddhist.

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form wrote:I notice many and I am one of them. To non Buddhists this is an unjustifiable weakness, even a character flaw.
Yes ...

Many a "real Buddhist" appears to be "lopsided and warped, an idiot savant who can thrive in the seclusion of a three-year, three-month, three-day retreat, but can’t handle three hours caught in heavy traffic with three whining children." (In reference to Thanissaro Bhikkhu's The Wisdom of the Ego.)

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by Sam Vara » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:32 am

form wrote:I notice many and I am one of them. To non Buddhists this is an unjustifiable weakness, even a character flaw. :mrgreen:
Like others here, I'm a bit puzzled by what this means. If you mean that a desire to free oneself from stress is a prerequisite for taking up a Buddhist practice, then yes, I completely agree. I have the feeling that I can't take the stress of conditioned existence for much more, and would like to find some kind of escape, if that's possible.
There are some cases in which a person overcome with pain, his mind exhausted, grieves, mourns, laments, beats his breast, & becomes bewildered. Or one overcome with pain, his mind exhausted, comes to search outside, 'Who knows a way or two to stop this pain?' I tell you, monks, that dukkha results either in bewilderment or in search.
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On the other hand, if you mean that Buddhists are less capable than others of dealing with specific instances of stress, then that depends on the individual concerned. Some monastics I know, for example, have an almost unbelievable capacity for putting up with hardship and potential irritations. Most lay practitioners I know would probably say that they are slightly better at dealing with stress than they used to be: slow but discernible progress.

And what is meant by a "real Buddhist"? Are there ersatz or counterfeit ones? Or are some more "hardcore" than others?

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by form » Sun Aug 20, 2017 11:20 am

I try to give one example. There are a few I know previously working stable government job. They will rather quit and turn to low stress low pay hourly job.

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Post by chownah » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:20 pm

Yeah, real buddhists can't hold their liquor either.
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Post by Garrib » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:18 pm

form wrote:I try to give one example. There are a few I know previously working stable government job. They will rather quit and turn to low stress low pay hourly job.
...and some real Buddhists even abandon paid work altogether, entering into the homeless life (as monastic). At a certain point an individual might determine that the stress of a particular life situation is not worth the purported benefits, especially in the long run.

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by FallAway » Sun Aug 20, 2017 3:15 pm

form wrote:I notice many and I am one of them. To non Buddhists this is an unjustifiable weakness, even a character flaw. :mrgreen:
Hi Form. I am reading this topic as "Real people cannot take stress". (The word "real" is included only for connective purposes.)

Buddhism is a concept, it is also an identity for some. Stressors are very difficult for some people to cope with, and I agree that some stressors can be very crippling, even for people who have undertaken the Buddhist path. For a non-Buddhist to see this as "unjustifiable" or a character "flaw" in a Buddhist reflects their own expectations of what this path can offer.

This path does indeed offer a way out of the suffering of stressors. It offers a practice. With diligence and right effort many stressors will disappear. It usually doesn't happen overnight. Critical non-Buddhists should periodically "check in" with their targeted examples and see if or when improvement happens before coming to this kind of conclusion.

I wish you much joy in your practice. You'll never experience this joy as a perfected being in quite the same way as an "imperfect" one. Come as you are and with acceptance of where your kamma has led you.

:namaste:
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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by altar » Sun Aug 20, 2017 4:54 pm

I think this is an interesting topic. Are we to endure and investigate stress? Or simply are we allowed to put our attention elsewhere when we are stressed? Is anger about stress to be contemplated or ignored?

Dukkha is to be known and its origin abandoned, but does that mean we engage with stress or simply study its origin and cessation?

And when practicing meditation the first step is laying aside grief and distress for the world

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Re: Real buddhist cannot take stress

Post by seeker242 » Mon Aug 21, 2017 2:56 am

Real buddhist cannot take stress
My impression is the exact opposite of that. A "real buddhist" can understand the cause of stress and therefore can stop causing it. :smile:

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