Let them stay in them.form wrote:What about those that claim that possessed jhanas?
Sotapanna, Sakadagami, Anāgāmi, and Arahant. More trouble than they are worth.
Re: Sotapanna, Sakadagami, Anāgāmi, and Arahant. More trouble than they are worth.
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Re: Sotapanna, Sakadagami, Anāgāmi, and Arahant. More trouble than they are worth.
binocular wrote:Let them stay in them.form wrote:What about those that claim that possessed jhanas?
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Re: Sotapanna, Sakadagami, Anāgāmi, and Arahant. More trouble than they are worth.
Just because some people misuse things doesn't mean there's something wrong with the terms. There's a strong logical fallacy at play in your argument. Just because some people think that they are Arahants or stream-enterers doens't mean that no one is! These are four distinct stages of enlightenment that come up in ones heart. One knows in themselves that they are real. It is the way the heart functions in it's path to awakening. In reality if some actually is one of these paths, they probably wouldn't talk about it or say they were that. These things aren't title ones is bestowed upon as a level of authority, they're real, deep changes in ones defilements. The Buddha knew about these things and he spoke about them for a very good reason. Those who have actually attained to these levels know their truth and can have them as a guide to determine what more needs to be done.
Re: Sotapanna, Sakadagami, Anāgāmi, and Arahant. More trouble than they are worth.
The attainments are meant for honest, personal review.
They are not an accreditation of our worth as Buddhists, but stages on the path to removing our defilement.
It's best if you do not talk about your attainments at all and, if you do, only speak with other noble ones.
They are not an accreditation of our worth as Buddhists, but stages on the path to removing our defilement.
It's best if you do not talk about your attainments at all and, if you do, only speak with other noble ones.
"A virtuous monk, Kotthita my friend, should attend in an appropriate way to the five clinging-aggregates as inconstant, stressful, a disease, a cancer, an arrow, painful, an affliction, alien, a dissolution, an emptiness, not-self."
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Re: Sotapanna, Sakadagami, Anāgāmi, and Arahant. More trouble than they are worth.
Very good wisdom from Anicca._anicca_ wrote:The attainments are meant for honest, personal review.
They are not an accreditation of our worth as Buddhists, but stages on the path to removing our defilement.
It's best if you do not talk about your attainments at all and, if you do, only speak with other noble ones.
Practice, Practice, Practice
Re: Sotapanna, Sakadagami, Anāgāmi, and Arahant. More trouble than they are worth.
That's assuming one is aware of what they are, of course. FIguring out one has been free of internal sankhara, for example, would require understanding others are not, first. Only then, may one start to look for another noble one._anicca_ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:59 pm The attainments are meant for honest, personal review.
They are not an accreditation of our worth as Buddhists, but stages on the path to removing our defilement.
It's best if you do not talk about your attainments at all and, if you do, only speak with other noble ones.
And that's the last I'll say of that, here.