The practice described in the Vitakkasanthana Sutta

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Viachh
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The practice described in the Vitakkasanthana Sutta

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Is the practice described in the Vitakkasanthana Sutta (MN 20) a separate practice or is it one of the aspects of Vipassana practice?

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"Now when a monk... attending to another theme... scrutinizing the drawbacks of those thoughts... paying no mind and paying no attention to those thoughts... attending to the relaxing of thought-fabrication with regard to those thoughts... beating down, constraining and crushing his mind with his awareness... steadies his mind right within, settles it, unifies it and concentrates it: He is then called a monk with mastery over the ways of thought sequences. He thinks whatever thought he wants to, and doesn't think whatever thought he doesn't. He has severed craving, thrown off the fetters, and — through the right penetration of conceit — has made an end of suffering and stress."

https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

It appears to be a Vipassana practice even though there is some Samatha aspect.
I even see some Sila in it.
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Re: The practice described in the Vitakkasanthana Sutta

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SarathW wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:19 am
He has severed craving, thrown off the fetters, and — through the right penetration of conceit — has made an end of suffering and stress."
The above sounds like the result of established concentration rather than the practices in MN 20.
Viachh wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:40 am
Is the practice described in the Vitakkasanthana Sutta (MN 20) a separate practice or is it one of the aspects of Vipassana practice?
Its separate. "Vipassana" is "direct clear seeing" rather than using thought & reason to overcome hindrances & obstacles. MN 19 and MN 20 use various words to describe the method of practice, such as paṭisañcikkhati, manasikaroto, upaparikkhanta, etc. These words do not refer to "vipassana". Paṭisañcikkhati, manasikaroto, upaparikkhanta, etc, are used to establish concentration; where as vipassana occurs as a result of concentration. Paṭisañcikkhati, manasikaroto, upaparikkhanta, etc, are similar to feeding a tree fertilizer; where as vipassana is similar to the fruit of the tree that grows by itself.
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It is important to note that Vitakka and Vicara stoped in the second Jhana however wholesome Vitakka and Vicara still there in first Jhana.
My overall assessment is that this is a Vipassana practice.
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