Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:00 am
ChooChoo wrote: ↑
Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:00 pm
Are there monasteries in Myanmar that still teach Ledi Sayadas Method?
But, i don't know much.
Please kindly be warned that what I have written below may be wrong.
Here is what i've found.
... Burmese books on biographies of Ledi Sayadaw, Saya Thetgyi, U Ba Khin
... Eng. sources from the web
The vipassana methods taught these days in meditation centers In the traditions of "Ledi Sayadaw, Saya Thetgyi, U Ba Khin, Goenkaji" all belong most probably to Ledi Sayadaw's teaching filtered through his student Saya Thetgyi who had been unequivocally endorsed by Sayadaw himself even to teach Sayadaw's own student-monks.
This approach/method is just one of the different methods which were given to different students by Ledi Sayadaw. Highly likely that this is his most preferred instructed method towards the end of his life.
Sayadaw practiced white kasina in early periods with attainment of "very wide nimmita". He didn't like the result and switched to anapana and most probably attained five jhanas fluently during three months of vasa, according to some sources. He clearly stated that samatha is needed for insight to develop; while jhana level samadhi is optional. (However, i'm also of the opinion that samatha and insight can go together hand to hand, right from the beginning.)
Sayadaw sometimes tended to explain things, clearly not in accordance with Ven. Buddhaghosa on commentaries, knowingly of course. [btw, ven. Mahasi also used to describe and comment what he regarded as alternative explanation to Ven. Buddhaghosa in his burmese translation of visuddhimagga.]
As stated in U Ba Khin biography book, Saya Thetgyi practiced samatha about seven years under the guidance of Thit Cha Taung Sayadaw U Tiloka before taking vipassana instructions from Ledi Sayadaw. And, as stated in Saya Thetgyi biography book, he has other teachers before becoming a long accompanied student of Ledi Sayadaw.
Saya Thetgyi at first also taught some of his students white kasina among others, in addition to anapana. Later anapana became the main one. Interestingly, in his early days of teachings, he gave his students samatha medatation for 2 to 3 years before switching to vipassana, while later shortened that samatha duration to seven days.
Under guidence of an acquaitance who had just finished ten day retreat of Saya Thetgyi, U Ba Khin got the anapana ninitta [which he was able to manipulate at will] even within a short moment (?within minutes) after practicing according to instruction, on 1st January 1937. Of course, he had previous exposures to Ledi Books, abhidhamma and meditation practice probably since 1931. Seven days later he was in Saya Thetgyi's retreat.
Some examples for comparison:
Re: How does Goenka's method differ from the IMC and Mother Sayama's? https://www.vipassanaforum.net/forum/in ... 2#msg12062
u ba khin
https://host.pariyatti.org/treasures/Bu ... n_1960.pdf
https://medium.com/weareco/this-meditat ... abdbae56f3
Saya Thetgyi (Ledi method) instructed by U Thein around 1960.
from: Journey Into Burmese Silence - by Marie Beuzeville Byles (1900 - 1979)
Maha Bodhi Meditation center, Mandalay
http://host.pariyatti.org/treasures/Jou ... ilence.pdf
The Appendix is booklet of instructions in Vipassana method practised at Maha Bodhi, may be around 1960.
Present days experiences as a visitor: -->
https://www.myanmarpilgrimage.com/burma ... dalay.html
Ledi method (? of saya thet) re-popularized? by a Dwi pitaka dhara Monk - organizing many retreats in various parts of Burma today, based in Yangon, imo.
videos: (some facts may be incorrect as explained below)
Ledi Ven. Ledi Sayadaw - a talk by Patrick Given-Wilson
(It is obviously wrong to say that king Thipaw was fetched by bullock cart from Mandalay through to Rangoon. // in his Burmese biography, it doesn't say Ledi Sayadaw used hundreds of pencils per night, it simply says hundreds of pencils need to be sharpened at a time for easy uninterrupted use.--- although these, among others, are not much related to dhamma, it tarnishes the authenticity of facts related to his Dhamma)
Saya Thetgyi: a talk by Patrick Given-Wilson
brief biography of saya thetgyi
U Ba Khin Sayagyi U Ba Khin: a talk by Patrick Given-Wilson
Ledi Sayadaw: extremely important figure in Burma Buddhism. However, he was not the only one in history as some used to think, there were many before him as well as his contemporaries. (Actually, until mid-twenties, thanks to my lack of knowledge of course, i don't remember, knowing him as an established one in "meditation", but rather as a great scholar. The more familiar names related to "meditation" in my early years were Taung Pu Lu, Webu, Sun Lun, The' Inn Gu, Mahasi, Mogok, and U Ba Khin among others)
Important link in "householder lineage", and for crystalization of "the method".
U Ba Khin:
Very talented and powerful person
Super gifted in spreading the Dhamma and unquestionably loyal to his teacher, and Dhamma in general, whatever some may say. It is a very wise move that Goenkaji's method is strictly preserved, and many (if not most or all) centers around the world used the same recordings as instructions long before his demise without needing his personal involvement. Still, haters (including a tiny chunk of ex-students "not all") gonna hate, inversely proportional to their level of Dhamma. They tend to blame on "the method" rather than their own kilesa. Sure, it is not the only method out there; and sure, many will continue to be benefited from this method, [--- whether they happen to be a recidivist imate of a most notorious prison, or political leaders of India, or a president of Sri Lankan, or twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, or a rocket scientist, or an atheist, or a Christian, or a Lama, or an Iranian --- ], either to happily remain in the tradition with ongoing advancement in Dhamma, or to profitably apply the fruits of this practice in other methods of their later choice.