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Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stiphan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:35 pm

Simple question really, as per title. And does it matter?

I'll be jogging in the park starting tomorrow and thought of combining it with walking meditation early in the morning, before breakfast.
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Nicolas » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:51 pm

Why not meditate as you jog? If not that, I would think doing walking meditation afterwards, it’ll increase the likelihood of your awareness being maintained after the whole thing is over, whereas if done beforehand and not sustained during the jog, the jog might disrupt the strength of awareness.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:01 pm

Greetings,

Walking meditation techniques were not taught by the Buddha, but he did teach of mindfulness while walking.

He didn't really discuss running, as monks don't seem to do a great deal of it, but I see no logical reason why mindfulness while running wouldn't also be a viable activity.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stiphan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:07 pm

Nicolas wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:51 pm
Why not meditate as you jog? If not that, I would think doing walking meditation afterwards, it’ll increase the likelihood of your awareness being maintained after the whole thing is over, whereas if done beforehand and not sustained during the jog, the jog might disrupt the strength of awareness.
Thanks. I can be mindful while jogging, but I'll stick to walking meditation as well. I think you have a good point there about it being done afterwards.
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stiphan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:11 pm

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Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:01 pm
Greetings,

Walking meditation techniques were not taught by the Buddha, but he did teach of mindfulness while walking.

He didn't really discuss running, as monks don't seem to do a great deal of it, but I see no logical reason why mindfulness while running wouldn't also be a viable activity.

Metta,
Paul. :)
The Buddha taught mindfulness of the four postures: sitting, standing, walking and lying down. There are walking meditation vipassanā techniques. I will be practising according to the Mahāsī method. Many meditators, especially on retreat in monasteries, practice walking meditation. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi has personally recommended it to me in the past. One can be mindful while jogging or running as well.

It will be one mindful outing to the park each morning!
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:20 pm

Greetings,
Stiphan wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:11 pm
It will be one mindful outing to the park each morning!
That's the important thing...

:thumbsup:

Have fun, Stiphan.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stiphan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:33 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:20 pm
Greetings,
Stiphan wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:11 pm
It will be one mindful outing to the park each morning!
That's the important thing...

:thumbsup:

Have fun, Stiphan.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Thanks, Paul!

By my birthday in February I will have the following meditation regimen:
6am-6:45am: Jogging followed by walking meditation (15 mins jogging, 15 mins walking meditation + walking to and from the park)
7am-8am: Ānāpānasati
8am-9am: Vipassanā
...
9pm-10pm: Mettā & Karuṇā
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:37 pm

Greetings Stiphan,

As for 9-10, it might be worth looking at the sutta we were discussing the other day. (Also linked to from the website field in my profile).

It might be a good way to continue any remaining vipassana through to the metta etc. portion of your day.

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Paul. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Garrib » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:38 pm

Stiphan wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:33 pm


By my birthday in February I will have the following meditation regimen:
6am-6:45am: Jogging followed by walking meditation (15 mins jogging, 15 mins walking meditation + walking to and from the park)
7am-8am: Ānāpānasati
8am-9am: Vipassanā
...
9pm-10pm: Mettā & Karuṇā
Sounds like a good* way to start and end your days!
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stiphan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:43 pm

Yeah, I think it's good to start the day mindful and aware and end it with love and compassion just before bed, for sweet dreams. And in the middle there'll be lots of studying.
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by bodom » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:15 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:01 pm
Greetings,

Walking meditation techniques were not taught by the Buddha, but he did teach of mindfulness while walking.
Hey Paul,

There is this...
But if by doing this you don't shake off your drowsiness, then — percipient of what lies in front & behind — set a distance to meditate walking back & forth, your senses inwardly immersed, your mind not straying outwards. It's possible that by doing this you will shake off your drowsiness.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

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Ultimately, your meditation involves sustaining the knowing, followed by continuous letting go as you experience sense objects through the eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body and mind. It involves just this much and there is no need to make anything more out of it.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 am

Greetings bodom,

Yes, but in the context of the sutta, it's just a mindful way to raise alertness. That said, "your senses inwardly immersed, your mind not straying outwards" is great advice at the best of times. That is, essentially, mindfulness while walking.

Nonetheless, the sutta instruction is a long way from the prescriptive, step-by-step note-taking, slow motion "zombie-walk" that is commonly associated with contemporary walking meditation instruction.

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Paul. :)
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by bodom » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:37 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 am
Greetings bodom,

Yes, but in the context of the sutta, it's just a mindful way to raise alertness. That said, "your senses inwardly immersed, your mind not straying outwards" is great advice at the best of times. That is, essentially, mindfulness while walking.

Nonetheless, the sutta instruction is a long way from the prescriptive, step-by-step note-taking, slow motion "zombie-walk" that is commonly associated with contemporary walking meditation instruction.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Hey Paul

As you probably know the "zombie walk" style of walking meditation is associated with Mahasi tradition. Other traditions like the Thai Forest teach to walk at a normal pace. This is what I learned as well from a Thai monk and his instructions mirror those in the sutta above.

A funny story about Ajahn Chah and "zombie walking" meditation:
Late in spring of 1979, Achaan Chah visited the Insight Meditation Center in Barre, Massachusetts. He taught there for ten days and each afternoon would go for a walk around the grounds. Seeing all the students out on the lawns doing slow walking meditation, he remarked that the meditation center looked like a mental hospital for diseases of the worldly mind. All afternoon as he wandered past students, he would call out to them, “Get well soon. I hope you get well soon.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/zen4859.wo ... -sick/amp/

:lol:

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Ultimately, your meditation involves sustaining the knowing, followed by continuous letting go as you experience sense objects through the eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body and mind. It involves just this much and there is no need to make anything more out of it.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by alan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:46 am

What you should do is run. Don't jog. Jogging is lazy, and almost always useless.
Run fast, for a short time, then take a break. Then run again. Repeat 8 times.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:09 am

Greetings,
bodom wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:37 am
A funny story about Ajahn Chah and "zombie walking" meditation:
Ha, yeah... it's that exact story, which led me to call it a zombie-walk!

Ajahn Chah was cool.

8-)

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"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stiphan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:01 am

alan wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:46 am
What you should do is run. Don't jog. Jogging is lazy, and almost always useless.
Run fast, for a short time, then take a break. Then run again. Repeat 8 times.
It's good to do it the gradual way: start by jogging and gradually increase the duration and eventually the speed as well.
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Mr Man » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:17 am

Here is some walking meditation instruction from Ajahn Chah:
When you're practising walking meditation (cankama), have a walking path, say from one tree to another, about 50 feet in length. Walking cankama is the same as sitting meditation. Focus your awareness: ''Now, I am going to put forth effort. With strong recollection and self-awareness I am going to pacify my mind.'' The object of concentration depends on the person. Find what suits you. Some people spread mettā to all sentient beings and then leading with their right foot, walk at a normal pace, using the mantra 'Buddho' in conjunction with the walking. Continually being aware of that object. If the mind becomes agitated then stop, calm the mind and then resume walking. Constantly self-aware. Aware at the beginning of the path, aware at every stage of the path, the beginning, the middle and the end. Make this knowing continuous.

This is a method, focussing on walking cankama. Walking cankama means walking to and fro. It's not easy. Some people see us walking up and down and think we're crazy. They don't realize that walking cankama gives rise to great wisdom. Walk to and fro. If you're tired then stand and still your mind. Focus on making the breathing comfortable. When it is reasonably comfortable then switch the attention to walking again,
http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stiphan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:05 pm

Thank you, Mr. Man.

This is my walking meditation path. Isn't it gorgeous?
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Sam Vara » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:08 pm

Stiphan wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:05 pm
This is my walking meditation path. Isn't it gorgeous?
Did you wear that path in the grass all on your own? :tongue:

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stiphan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:13 pm

Sam Vara wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:08 pm
Stiphan wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:05 pm
This is my walking meditation path. Isn't it gorgeous?
Did you wear that path in the grass all on your own? :tongue:
Haha, I know you're kidding, but I only walk down the alley; plus, today was my first walking meditation session. I'll do it every day, though - it's very beneficial.
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