Walking meditation before or after jogging?

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Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stephen18 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:35 pm

Simple question really, as per title. And does it matter?

I'll be jogging in the park starting tomorrow and thought of combining it with walking meditation early in the morning, before breakfast.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Nicolas » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:51 pm

Why not meditate as you jog? If not that, I would think doing walking meditation afterwards, it’ll increase the likelihood of your awareness being maintained after the whole thing is over, whereas if done beforehand and not sustained during the jog, the jog might disrupt the strength of awareness.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:01 pm

Greetings,

Walking meditation techniques were not taught by the Buddha, but he did teach of mindfulness while walking.

He didn't really discuss running, as monks don't seem to do a great deal of it, but I see no logical reason why mindfulness while running wouldn't also be a viable activity.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stephen18 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:07 pm

Nicolas wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:51 pm
Why not meditate as you jog? If not that, I would think doing walking meditation afterwards, it’ll increase the likelihood of your awareness being maintained after the whole thing is over, whereas if done beforehand and not sustained during the jog, the jog might disrupt the strength of awareness.
Thanks. I can be mindful while jogging, but I'll stick to walking meditation as well. I think you have a good point there about it being done afterwards.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stephen18 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:11 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:01 pm
Greetings,

Walking meditation techniques were not taught by the Buddha, but he did teach of mindfulness while walking.

He didn't really discuss running, as monks don't seem to do a great deal of it, but I see no logical reason why mindfulness while running wouldn't also be a viable activity.

Metta,
Paul. :)
The Buddha taught mindfulness of the four postures: sitting, standing, walking and lying down. There are walking meditation vipassanā techniques. I will be practising according to the Mahāsī method. Many meditators, especially on retreat in monasteries, practice walking meditation. Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi has personally recommended it to me in the past. One can be mindful while jogging or running as well.

It will be one mindful outing to the park each morning!

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:20 pm

Greetings,
Stiphan wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:11 pm
It will be one mindful outing to the park each morning!
That's the important thing...

:thumbsup:

Have fun, Stiphan.

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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stephen18 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:33 pm

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:20 pm
Greetings,
Stiphan wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:11 pm
It will be one mindful outing to the park each morning!
That's the important thing...

:thumbsup:

Have fun, Stiphan.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Thanks, Paul!

By my birthday in February I will have the following meditation regimen:
6am-6:45am: Jogging followed by walking meditation (15 mins jogging, 15 mins walking meditation + walking to and from the park)
7am-8am: Ānāpānasati
8am-9am: Vipassanā
...
9pm-10pm: Mettā & Karuṇā

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:37 pm

Greetings Stiphan,

As for 9-10, it might be worth looking at the sutta we were discussing the other day. (Also linked to from the website field in my profile).

It might be a good way to continue any remaining vipassana through to the metta etc. portion of your day.

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Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Garrib » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:38 pm

Stiphan wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:33 pm


By my birthday in February I will have the following meditation regimen:
6am-6:45am: Jogging followed by walking meditation (15 mins jogging, 15 mins walking meditation + walking to and from the park)
7am-8am: Ānāpānasati
8am-9am: Vipassanā
...
9pm-10pm: Mettā & Karuṇā
Sounds like a good* way to start and end your days!
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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by Stephen18 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:43 pm

Yeah, I think it's good to start the day mindful and aware and end it with love and compassion just before bed, for sweet dreams. And in the middle there'll be lots of studying.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by bodom » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:15 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:01 pm
Greetings,

Walking meditation techniques were not taught by the Buddha, but he did teach of mindfulness while walking.
Hey Paul,

There is this...
But if by doing this you don't shake off your drowsiness, then — percipient of what lies in front & behind — set a distance to meditate walking back & forth, your senses inwardly immersed, your mind not straying outwards. It's possible that by doing this you will shake off your drowsiness.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html

:namaste:
The heart of the path is so simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice.

Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing.

Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this-just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle.

- Ajahn Chah

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 am

Greetings bodom,

Yes, but in the context of the sutta, it's just a mindful way to raise alertness. That said, "your senses inwardly immersed, your mind not straying outwards" is great advice at the best of times. That is, essentially, mindfulness while walking.

Nonetheless, the sutta instruction is a long way from the prescriptive, step-by-step note-taking, slow motion "zombie-walk" that is commonly associated with contemporary walking meditation instruction.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by bodom » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:37 am

retrofuturist wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:53 am
Greetings bodom,

Yes, but in the context of the sutta, it's just a mindful way to raise alertness. That said, "your senses inwardly immersed, your mind not straying outwards" is great advice at the best of times. That is, essentially, mindfulness while walking.

Nonetheless, the sutta instruction is a long way from the prescriptive, step-by-step note-taking, slow motion "zombie-walk" that is commonly associated with contemporary walking meditation instruction.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Hey Paul

As you probably know the "zombie walk" style of walking meditation is associated with Mahasi tradition. Other traditions like the Thai Forest teach to walk at a normal pace. This is what I learned as well from a Thai monk and his instructions mirror those in the sutta above.

A funny story about Ajahn Chah and "zombie walking" meditation:
Late in spring of 1979, Achaan Chah visited the Insight Meditation Center in Barre, Massachusetts. He taught there for ten days and each afternoon would go for a walk around the grounds. Seeing all the students out on the lawns doing slow walking meditation, he remarked that the meditation center looked like a mental hospital for diseases of the worldly mind. All afternoon as he wandered past students, he would call out to them, “Get well soon. I hope you get well soon.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/zen4859.wo ... -sick/amp/

:lol:

:namaste:
The heart of the path is so simple. No need for long explanations. Give up clinging to love and hate, just rest with things as they are. That is all I do in my own practice.

Do not try to become anything. Do not make yourself into anything. Do not be a meditator. Do not become enlightened. When you sit, let it be. When you walk, let it be. Grasp at nothing. Resist nothing.

Of course, there are dozens of meditation techniques to develop samadhi and many kinds of vipassana. But it all comes back to this-just let it all be. Step over here where it is cool, out of the battle.

- Ajahn Chah

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by alan » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:46 am

What you should do is run. Don't jog. Jogging is lazy, and almost always useless.
Run fast, for a short time, then take a break. Then run again. Repeat 8 times.

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Re: Walking meditation before or after jogging?

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:09 am

Greetings,
bodom wrote:
Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:37 am
A funny story about Ajahn Chah and "zombie walking" meditation:
Ha, yeah... it's that exact story, which led me to call it a zombie-walk!

Ajahn Chah was cool.

8-)

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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