I just wonder why Buddha attain Parinibbana in fourth Jhana.
Why not first or say second Jhana.
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Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Not "in the fourth jhāna", but after emerging from it.
If the sayādaw’s right, then realizing Parinibbāna after emerging from only the second jhāna would not be dwelling in the "bliss of the absorptions to the full". It would be like a traveller departing after embracing and kissing only his sisters and his cousins and his aunts, but forgetting his parents and children.“Like a traveller leaving home would bid all the family farewell with embraces and kisses, so the Bhagavā dwelled in the bliss of the absorptions to the full before realizing Parinibbāna.”
(Mingun Sayādaw, Great Chronicle of Buddhas, vol. V)
Yena yena hi maññanti,
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
tato taṃ hoti aññathā.
In whatever way they conceive it,
It turns out otherwise.
(Sn. 588)
Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Good analogy Bhante.It would be like a traveller departing after embracing and kissing only his sisters and his cousins and his aunts, but forgetting his parents and children.
Interestingly he kissed Rupavacara three times and Arupavacara twice.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Yes, perhaps he kissed goodbye to them never to return again.Like a traveller leaving home would bid all the family farewell with embraces and kisses,
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
The link says the Buddha emerged from the fourth jhana. My guess is the Buddha entered & emerged from each jhana to demonstrate his final words, namely: "All fabrications are subject to decay". That is, no fabricated state or world (loka), including any jhana, was worth cherishing & clinging to.SarathW wrote: ↑Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:09 pm I just wonder why Buddha attain Parinibbana in fourth Jhana. Why not first or say second Jhana.
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Isn't Buddha at least in first Jhana most of his waking time?
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Imo, no.
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Then what you called his mental state at a normal time.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
I think the appropriate question is what do you think the 1st jhana is and why you think the Buddha dwells in the 1st jhana during normal times?
There is always an official executioner. If you try to take his place, It is like trying to be a master carpenter and cutting wood. If you try to cut wood like a master carpenter, you will only hurt your hand.
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
As I see it - it was his last lesson. You can either attain arahantship after attaining last arupa sphere (nirodha samapatti), or in/after 4th jhana.I just wonder why Buddha attain Parinibbana in fourth Jhana.
Why not first or say second Jhana.
Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Good point Zom.it was his last lesson.
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”
Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?
Does this also mean that the formless jhanas (5 to 8) are not really special in comparison to the form jhanas?