Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

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Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by SarathW » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:09 pm

I just wonder why Buddha attain Parinibbana in fourth Jhana.
Why not first or say second Jhana.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by Dhammanando » Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:24 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:09 pm
I just wonder why Buddha attain Parinibbana in fourth Jhana.
Why not first or say second Jhana.
Not "in the fourth jhāna", but after emerging from it.
“Like a traveller leaving home would bid all the family farewell with embraces and kisses, so the Bhagavā dwelled in the bliss of the absorptions to the full before realizing Parinibbāna.”
(Mingun Sayādaw, Great Chronicle of Buddhas, vol. V)
If the sayādaw’s right, then realizing Parinibbāna after emerging from only the second jhāna would not be dwelling in the "bliss of the absorptions to the full". It would be like a traveller departing after embracing and kissing only his sisters and his cousins and his aunts, but forgetting his parents and children.

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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by SarathW » Thu Nov 09, 2017 1:02 am

It would be like a traveller departing after embracing and kissing only his sisters and his cousins and his aunts, but forgetting his parents and children.
Good analogy Bhante.
Interestingly he kissed Rupavacara three times and Arupavacara twice.
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by SarathW » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:35 am

Like a traveller leaving home would bid all the family farewell with embraces and kisses,
Yes, perhaps he kissed goodbye to them never to return again.
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by DooDoot » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:45 am

SarathW wrote:
Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:09 pm
I just wonder why Buddha attain Parinibbana in fourth Jhana. Why not first or say second Jhana.
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitak ... .than.html
The link says the Buddha emerged from the fourth jhana. My guess is the Buddha entered & emerged from each jhana to demonstrate his final words, namely: "All fabrications are subject to decay". That is, no fabricated state or world (loka), including any jhana, was worth cherishing & clinging to.

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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by SarathW » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:08 am

Isn't Buddha at least in first Jhana most of his waking time?
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by DooDoot » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:46 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:08 am
Isn't Buddha at least in first Jhana most of his waking time?
Imo, no.

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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by SarathW » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:26 am

Then what you called his mental state at a normal time.
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by DooDoot » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:05 am

SarathW wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:26 am
Then what you called his mental state at a normal time.
I think the appropriate question is what do you think the 1st jhana is and why you think the Buddha dwells in the 1st jhana during normal times?

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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by Zom » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:43 pm

I just wonder why Buddha attain Parinibbana in fourth Jhana.
Why not first or say second Jhana.
As I see it - it was his last lesson. You can either attain arahantship after attaining last arupa sphere (nirodha samapatti), or in/after 4th jhana.

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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by SarathW » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:27 pm

it was his last lesson.
Good point Zom.
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Re: Why did Buddha passed away in fourth Jhana?

Post by budo » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:06 pm

Does this also mean that the formless jhanas (5 to 8) are not really special in comparison to the form jhanas?
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