Mechanics of Insight

On the cultivation of insight/wisdom
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Mechanics of Insight

Post by Myotai » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:21 am

Sounds like a good title for a book don't you think?

Anyway, I have been experiencing some positive experiences I can only put down to my practice, but I am somewhat surprised as to how they have presented themselves.

Been practising the Mahasi method for some time, rather than experiencing insights during the sitting session I find myself pondering an insight in the most surprising of circumstances - driving to work, listening to some music or this morning over my morning coffee.

Is this how 'Insight' works....off the cushion?

Thanks _/|\_

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:47 am

Greetings,
Myotai wrote:Is this how 'Insight' works....off the cushion?
If you look at how most people in the suttas achieved stream-entry, yes.

Metta,
Paul. :)
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"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by Myotai » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:50 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,
Myotai wrote:Is this how 'Insight' works....off the cushion?
If you look at how most people in the suttas achieved stream-entry, yes.

Metta,
Paul. :)
Thats inspiring then... :)

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by retrofuturist » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:57 am

Greetings Myotai,

I think so too.

Here's a previous topic on the subject, The arising of the Dhamma-eye, replete with sutta stories of people attaining stream-entry.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one's right view." (MN 117)

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by dharmacorps » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:55 pm

That's an interesting subject. I've noticed that sometimes my experience in meditation can be fairly nice, but nothing "mind blowing", but then between sittings (while cooking dinner, looking at a cat, driving, or even waking up from sleep) is when these things happen. I had thought this was related to me being a crappy meditator or "dry" meditator. But sitting longer with "nice" meditation, then there is an increase in the "in between" experiences.

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by bodom » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:45 pm

Myotai wrote:Sounds like a good title for a book don't you think?

Anyway, I have been experiencing some positive experiences I can only put down to my practice, but I am somewhat surprised as to how they have presented themselves.

Been practising the Mahasi method for some time, rather than experiencing insights during the sitting session I find myself pondering an insight in the most surprising of circumstances - driving to work, listening to some music or this morning over my morning coffee.

Is this how 'Insight' works....off the cushion?

Thanks _/|\_
Yes this is why the dichotomy of "formal" and "informal" meditation should be let go of. As Bhante Dhammanando noted in another thread and hundreds of Dhamma teachers have said in the past, meditation should be one long session and is to be practiced from the moment one awakens in the morning until the time one falls asleep at the end of the day. Satipathanna is to be practiced continuously in each and every moment.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With no struggling, no thinking,
the mind, still,
will see cause and effect
vanishing in the Void.
Attached to nothing, letting go:
Know that this is the way
to allay all stress.

- Upasika Kee Nanayan

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by paul » Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:17 am

Unless you want to be a Hindu, samatha practice is only for the purpose of developing calm so that insight can function, just as a surgeon can only operate on a tranquillised patient. The vital work of investigation happens during daily life when, through the process of mindfulness, events (the raw material) are put into a remembered dhamma context:

“And because the mind in concentration is so clear and bright, right view can watch this desire and its results more clearly as they occur. In this way, concentration provides an excellent basis for exposing the process of fabrication - the intentional processes by which the mind shapes experience- as they occur…”

"Because these fabrications, in an untrained mind, are influenced by ignorance, they lead to suffering and stress. That is why insight has to focus on them..."

“…the main role of right mindfulness here is to remember to provide a solid framework for observing the activity of fabrication. At the same time, it remembers lessons drawn from right view in the past— both lessons from reading and listening to the Dhamma, as well as lessons from reading the results of your own actions— that can be used to shape this activity in a more skilful direction: to act as the path to the end of suffering, which …is also a form of fabrication.”—- “Right Mindfulness”, Thanissaro Bikkhu.

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by Saengnapha » Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:49 am

paul wrote:Unless you want to be a Hindu, samatha practice is only for the purpose of developing calm so that insight can function, just as a surgeon can only operate on a tranquillised patient.
Do Hindus practice samatha? I didn't know that. What variety of Hindu, please?

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by paul » Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:09 pm

Hindu dhyana:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhyana_in_Hinduism

"Uddaka Ramaputta[note 1] who is said to be the teacher of some meditation methods to Buddha, as well as the originator of Vipassana and Preksha meditation techniques." This statement is wrong, the Buddha was the originator of vipassana. Indeed he left his two teachers, intuitively feeling there was something beyond jhana, and that emancipation was not unification with a god, but a human-centered responsibility achieved progressively through insight.

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by 2600htz » Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:55 pm

Hello:

I would´t call those insights, they are more like "wholesome thoughts".

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Re: Mechanics of Insight

Post by Crazy cloud » Thu Sep 28, 2017 2:06 pm

paul wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:17 am
samatha practice is only for the purpose of developing calm so that insight can function, just as a surgeon can only operate on a tranquillised patient.
splendid :goodpost:
If you didn't care
What happened to me
And I didn't care for you

We would zig-zag our way
Through the boredom and pain
Occasionally glancing up through the rain

Wondering which of the
Buggers to blame
And watching for pigs on the wing
- Roger Waters

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