Why the criticisms?

[mikenz66]

Hi Billy,

Would you happen to have any more writings of the subject??

Bhikkhu Pesala's site http://www.aimwell.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; has a number of translations by Mahasi Sayadaw and others.

In terms of getting a rather opposite view of arguments, there is a book out there (and it may be on a website, I only have a paper copy) that collects together an argument that happened over a period of years in, I believe, a Sri Lankan journal. "Opposite" because, unlike comments about such-and-such "not being in the suttas" that one sometimes sees on this site, the objections were that Mahasi Sayadaw had erred by not paying enough attention to the ancient commentaries...

If you read the link that Bhikkhu Pesala gave carefully, you'll see hints of U Pandita's rather playful attitude to criticisms and texts there.

http://www.aimwell.org/Books/Other/Ques ... tions.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Consequently, if we are to instruct meditators to develop ānāpānassati as part of vipassanā meditation, we will be inviting much unwanted and unwarranted criticism and controversy. And neither Mahāsi Sayādaw or myself would want to argue here that the Visuddhimagga, the rightly venerated classic, is at fault here.

Mike

[badscooter]

Hi Billy,


In terms of getting a rather opposite view of arguments, there is a book out there (and it may be on a website, I only have a paper copy) that collects together an argument that happened over a period of years in, I believe, a Sri Lankan journal. "Opposite" because, unlike comments about such-and-such "not being in the suttas" that one sometimes sees on this site, the objections were that Mahasi Sayadaw had erred by not paying enough attention to the ancient commentaries...


Mike

I would love to be able to read that book. I believe that would be quite interesting...

thanks Mike

[Bhikkhu Pesala]

Satipaṭṭhāna Vipassanā: Criticisms and Replies

[badscooter]

Satipaṭṭhāna Vipassanā: Criticisms and Replies

Thank you again bhante

[Gena1480]

Hello to all
Can i ask you friends
what frame is being used when noting?
in what frame is mindfulness establish?
is it body?
is it feelings?
is it mind?
is it mental qualities?
if you select one
please tell me how is it that its being establish?
thank you.

[badscooter]

Hello to all
Can i ask you friends
what frame is being used when noting?
in what frame is mindfulness establish?
is it body?
is it feelings?
is it mind?
is it mental qualities?
if you select one
please tell me how is it that its being establish?
thank you.

The primary object is usually the body and when another impedes strong enough you move to that secondary object until it passes and then return to your primary object of attention

With metta

[Kamran]

The noting technique did not work well for me when typing at a computer all day, but I think it may be a useful method for me to develop in other scenarios.

[mikenz66]

The noting technique did not work well for me when typing at a computer all day, but I think it may be a useful method for me to develop in other scenarios.

Yes, it's not going to be practical, or desirable, to go through life noting every movement of the fingers...

In a controlled situation, such as a retreat, it can be a very helpful exercise to pay continuous attention to every movement, and every feeling and thought that arises, to see just what your body/mind is up to...

In "real life" this is, of course, not going to be an option. However, with this training it is easier to follow advice such as:

"In the same way, Rahula, bodily actions, verbal actions, & mental actions are to be done with repeated reflection.

"Whenever you want to do a bodily action, you should reflect on it: 'This bodily action I want to do — would it lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Would it be an unskillful bodily action, with painful consequences, painful results?' ...

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mike

[badscooter]

The noting technique did not work well for me when typing at a computer all day, but I think it may be a useful method for me to develop in other scenarios.

Yes, it's not going to be practical, or desirable, to go through life noting every movement of the fingers...

In a controlled situation, such as a retreat, it can be a very helpful exercise to pay continuous attention to every movement, and every feeling and thought that arises, to see just what your body/mind is up to...

In "real life" this is, of course, not going to be an option. However, with this training it is easier to follow advice such as:

"In the same way, Rahula, bodily actions, verbal actions, & mental actions are to be done with repeated reflection.

"Whenever you want to do a bodily action, you should reflect on it: 'This bodily action I want to do — would it lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Would it be an unskillful bodily action, with painful consequences, painful results?' ...

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mike

I agree... Also remember noting itself is not mindfulness, but a tool to help aid in mindfulness



way all be well

[purple planet]

agree... Also remember noting itself is not mindfulness, but a tool to help aid in mindfulness

billymac you are right (i think) - i just want to add i read somewhere a monk said that if you label you have mindfulness at that moment - that once you label something you cannot be unmindful at that time

[badscooter]

agree... Also remember noting itself is not mindfulness, but a tool to help aid in mindfulness

billymac you are right (i think) - i just want to add i read somewhere a monk said that if you label you have mindfulness at that moment - that once you label something you cannot be unmindful at that time

thanks purple.. do you recall the book or the bhikkhu?

with metta

[tiltbillings]

. . .

In addition to the the book I recommended here, let me also recommed a brilliant book by Ven Analayo: Satipatthana: The Direct Path to Realization.

[badscooter]

. . .

In addition to the the book I recommended here, let me also recommed a brilliant book by Ven Analayo: Satipatthana: The Direct Path to Realization.

thanks again tilt

[purple planet]

I am pretty sure its yuttadhammo but im not sure where i saw it - he has a website http://ask.sirimangalo.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; to ask him questions

put in the search "labeling" ect and you can find his answers- he also have lots of youtube videos

im not sure exactly where he said it

a video i saw which is helpful to the subject

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ0WUgmTndc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[badscooter]

I am pretty sure its yuttadhammo but im not sure where i saw it - he has a website http://ask.sirimangalo.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; to ask him questions

put in the search "labeling" ect and you can find his answers- he also have lots of youtube videos

im not sure exactly where he said it

a video i saw which is helpful to the subject

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ0WUgmTndc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry purple, that video is of vimalaramsi and I do not follow his teachings nor believe anything he says... In my eyes he tells false truths..
Thanks for the input though

With metta