Functional types of mind (kiriyacitta) dissociated from wisdom (paññā)

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Functional types of mind (kiriyacitta) dissociated from wisdom (paññā)

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The Abhidhamma literature says insight neditative of the 4 types of sense-sphere wholesome cittas associated with wisdom (paññā) lead to change-of-lineage (gotrabhū) concentrative impulsion, while the same with the 4 types of sense-sphere functional-indeterminate cittas associated with wisdom (paññā) lead to a state of purity (vodāna) which brings about the three higher classes of noble Path-cittas. What about the other 4 types of sense-sphere functional-indeterminate cittas which are dissociated from wisdom (paññā) ? If these four classes of functional-indeterminate cittas dissociated from wisdom do not lead to purity (vodāna) stage of cencentration and neither lead to rebirth kamma, then where does the living Arahatta individual ends up in when he dies? Could anybody assist to shed light on this please?

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I was expecting someone with a good understanding of Abhidhamma would reply this.

Since it's not good not to get a response, here it is my attempt to help you:
Sense-sphere functional consciousness with roots (sahetuka-kāmāvacara-
kriyācittāni): Whereas the eight wholesome sense-sphere cittas arise in worldlings
(puthujjana) and trainees (sekha), they do not arise in Buddhas and Arahants, who have
transcended the cycle of kamma and future becoming in the realms of rebirth. However,
in Buddhas and Arahants, there arise eight types of consciousness that are their exact
counterparts. These are called “kriyā” (or “kiriya”), or “functional cittas,” because they
merely perform their functions without leaving any karmic deposit.
Because a Buddha or
an Arahant has eradicated all traces of ignorance (avijjā) and craving (taṇhā), the causes
of rebirth, there is no way his good actions could generate future results. They merely
arise, accomplish some function, and then fall away without residue.
From Bhikkhu Bodhi's Manual of Abidhamma.


Hope it helps.
Not neglecting seclusion, absorption,
constantly living the Dhamma
in line with the Dhamma,
comprehending the danger
in states of becoming,
wander alone
like a rhinoceros.
SN 1.3
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Lust is a maker of nimittas, hate is a maker of nimittas, delusion is a maker of nimittas.
Rāgo kho, āvuso, nimittakaraṇo, doso nimittakaraṇo, moho nimittakaraṇo. (MN 43, SN 41.7)

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kch wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:09 am
then where does the living Arahatta individual ends up in when he dies?
In a non-arahant the cutting-off consciousness (cuti-citta) ends the santati (the mental continuum of a single lifetime) but not the santāna (the mental continuum that endures throughout saṃsāric time). It is followed by a rebirth-linking consciousness.

In an arahant the cuti-citta is not followed by a relinking consciousness and so is the final event in both the santati and the santāna.
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta

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Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:08 pm
kch wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:09 am
then where does the living Arahatta individual ends up in when he dies?
In a non-arahant the cutting-off consciousness (cuti-citta) ends the santati (the mental continuum of a single lifetime) but not the santāna (the mental continuum that endures throughout saṃsāric time). It is followed by a rebirth-linking consciousness.

In an arahant the cuti-citta is not followed by a relinking consciousness and so is the final event in both the santati and the santāna.
Thanks Bhante. :twothumbsup:
Not neglecting seclusion, absorption,
constantly living the Dhamma
in line with the Dhamma,
comprehending the danger
in states of becoming,
wander alone
like a rhinoceros.
SN 1.3
Image
Lust is a maker of nimittas, hate is a maker of nimittas, delusion is a maker of nimittas.
Rāgo kho, āvuso, nimittakaraṇo, doso nimittakaraṇo, moho nimittakaraṇo. (MN 43, SN 41.7)

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Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:08 pm
kch wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 4:09 am
then where does the living Arahatta individual ends up in when he dies?
In a non-arahant the cutting-off consciousness (cuti-citta) ends the santati (the mental continuum of a single lifetime) but not the santāna (the mental continuum that endures throughout saṃsāric time). It is followed by a rebirth-linking consciousness.

In an arahant the cuti-citta is not followed by a relinking consciousness and so is the final event in both the santati and the santāna.
relinking conciousness occurs when non arhant abides in emptiness?
You can become king of world with all the wealth but it is not equal to 0.1 % of jhana pleasure...

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confusedlayman wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:19 pm
relinking conciousness occurs when non arhant abides in emptiness?
There's no relinking (or rebirth-linking, as some translate it) consciousness for an arahant.
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta

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Dhammanando wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:35 pm
confusedlayman wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:19 pm
relinking conciousness occurs when non arhant abides in emptiness?
There's no relinking (or rebirth-linking, as some translate it) consciousness for an arahant.
if someone exp emptiness or fruitation of sota, saka and anagami.. then if he dies at that time why there is relinking? fruitation is same for all 4 stage including arhant?

or sota, saka and anagami tries to cling during death suddenly and hence there is relinking?
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confusedlayman wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:24 pm
if someone exp emptiness or fruitation of sota, saka and anagami.. then if he dies at that time why there is relinking? fruitation is same for all 4 stage including arhant?
The sekha disciples haven't yet abandoned the fuel that leads to relinking. All three still have the fetter of ignorance; the sotāpanna and sakadāgāmī have the fetter of desire for sense-sphere existence; the anāgāmī has the fetters of desire for refined form and formless existence.
“Keep to your own pastures, bhikkhus, walk in the haunts where your fathers roamed.
If ye thus walk in them, Māra will find no lodgement, Māra will find no foothold.”
— Cakkavattisīhanāda Sutta

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