What means with to see things as they really are?

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What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by user99 » Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:44 pm

What is things for an example?

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Post by Alīno » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:08 pm

Seeing their constantly changing, complitely unsatisfactory, and conditioned nature...

For exemple this body:
- it changes constantly
- it's complitely unsatisfying and uncomfortable
- it obey only to it's conditions and we have no any control over it

In meditation you can see there 3 characteristic non conceptually, without reflections, directly
Ajahn Nanadassano (before ordaining) : Venerable Ajahn, what is the bigest error that buddhist do in their practice?
Ajahn Jayasaro : They stop practicing ...

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Post by SarathW » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:18 pm

Aniicaa. Dukkha and Anatta should be practiced at the gross level as well as the subtle level using Satipathana.
Another term for this is the Yoniso Manasikara. (proper attention)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Post by Sam Vara » Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:53 pm

I like this passage from Richard Gombrich, in his paper Religious Experience in Early Buddhism (1997)
What the Buddha achieved is expressed in various ways. He saw the truth; he destroyed passion, hatred and delusion; he saw things as they really are. This last expression, which occurs often in the Pali canon and tradition, is particularly significant: the Buddha saw reality - and described it. He saw the dhamma, a word which refers both to his teaching and to the content of that teaching; it is the truth, which can be and was expounded in a list of truths (dhammā in the plural), true propositions which can be found in the texts. What makes his experience of importance to us is the truth that he discovered and taught...Extinguishing the fire of illusion is exactly the same thing for Buddhists as "seeing things as they are" - a common phrase in the early scriptures. This means clarity of vision, bringing everything into focus, knowing and being able to articulate everything that really needs to be known....This...does not mean dealing with everything in any detail; on the contrary, it means putting most things aside as unimportant. It deals with life by telling us what is important and what to think or feel about that.

...The Buddha had a transformative experience, his Enlightenment, which enabled him to tell us what the true quality of all our other experience is like. He could realise this because he (at first uniquely) realised its opposite: he could grasp the nature of normal human experience because he had something with which to contrast it..."

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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by sunnat » Sun Dec 01, 2019 11:43 pm

All things, everything.

"And how does a monk (someone with stainless sila) live contemplating the body in the body? Herein, monks, a monk, having gone to the forest, to the foot of a tree or to an empty place, sits down with his legs crossed, keeps his body erect (still) and his mindfulness alert. Ever (continuously) mindful he breathes in, mindful he breathes out."

By not making any deliberate movements and by keeping a continuous awareness of the breath (as it is, no deliberate control) the truth of the moment starts to reveal itself. Thus one trains 'to see things as they really are'.

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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by Srilankaputra » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:25 am

It means putting aside the distortion of myriad views and seeing phenemona as they are. This is accomplished by a concentrated mind with seven factors. (see MN 117)
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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by pegembara » Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:31 am

user99 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:44 pm
What is things for an example?
Take your thoughts for example.

They arise due to causes and conditions. You see a person and certain thoughts arise spontaneously.
They cease when the causes and conditions aren't present. That person moves away. Out of sight, out of mind.
They are not-self. You did not choose to have those thoughts which only arise when the causes/conditions are there.

You did not choose to be born .....
And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by user99 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:51 pm

- it's complitely unsatisfying and uncomfortable
- it obey only to it's conditions and we have no any control over
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I Believe we do can get control over the conditions.

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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by char101 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:43 pm

To see the arising and ceasing of our material and mental formations via the power of purified mind that comes of concentration. Someone who is able to see this is able to understand the impermanent, undesirable, and non-self characteristics which are how things really are.

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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by user99 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:06 pm

It would be the best if there was no-self

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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by user99 » Wed Dec 04, 2019 10:31 pm

Things isnt impermenent. For every day that comes one gets lesser dissapointed.

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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:30 am

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Under guidance of Dhamma, the more one genuinely tries "to see things as they really are", the clearer the reality becomes sequentially unfolded, by layers.

"Reality" is graded, depending upon one's level of Dhamma.

With Dhamma practice, reality will become more and more evident while the concepts are receding and fading away.


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Re: What means with to see things as they really are?

Post by retrofuturist » Sun Dec 08, 2019 2:02 am

Greetings,
user99 wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:44 pm
What is things for an example?
A very good example was given by SDC in another topic here.

Metta,
Paul. :)
"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"It is natural that one who knows and sees things as they really are is disenchanted and dispassionate." (AN 10.2)

“Truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it.” (Flannery O'Connor)

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