seer and object (duality)

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confusedlayman
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Re: seer and object (duality)

Post by confusedlayman » Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:20 pm

pegembara wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:32 am
confusedlayman wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:28 pm
Then acc to bahia sutta, we should not eat and just dye? In process of eating only eating act is there. Eating act is to continue the aggregates so if aggregares are disease why continue its action?
You are getting it wrong. Aggregates are not the problem. You mistakenly taking them to be you or yours IS the problem.
What is wrong with eating when hungry or drinking when thirsty? :shrug:
Suicidal acts aren't Buddhist if they are rooted in the delusion that "you" are suffering.
Without the "you" there is no mental suffering- only physical discomfort/pain.
Acc to Bahiya sutta, death is an event. No one dies! As the lamp goes out without the fuel/supporting conditions.
thanks. I got it but eating while hungry is clinging to aggregates to survive? if there is no we, then why we should not sucide if there is no we to commit sucide.
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Re: seer and object (duality)

Post by pegembara » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:08 am

confusedlayman wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:20 pm
pegembara wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:32 am
confusedlayman wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:28 pm
Then acc to bahia sutta, we should not eat and just dye? In process of eating only eating act is there. Eating act is to continue the aggregates so if aggregares are disease why continue its action?
You are getting it wrong. Aggregates are not the problem. You mistakenly taking them to be you or yours IS the problem.
What is wrong with eating when hungry or drinking when thirsty? :shrug:
Suicidal acts aren't Buddhist if they are rooted in the delusion that "you" are suffering.
Without the "you" there is no mental suffering- only physical discomfort/pain.
Acc to Bahiya sutta, death is an event. No one dies! As the lamp goes out without the fuel/supporting conditions.
thanks. I got it but eating while hungry is clinging to aggregates to survive? if there is no we, then why we should not sucide if there is no we to commit sucide.
The body has its own intelligence. You don't tell it how to breathe, how to produce urine or how to keep the heart beating. In the same way hunger is a signal that the blood sugar is low and it's time to eat. How is that clinging to aggregtes? :shrug:
When you go on hunger strike, THAT is clinging to the aggregates! When you are eating to have a beautiful muscled body, that too is clinging.

Whenever you are pushed by aversion or pulled by desire, you are clinging. Not when "you" are eating just to keep the body alive.
"And how is physical food to be regarded? Suppose a couple, husband & wife, taking meager provisions, were to travel through a desert. With them would be their only baby son, dear & appealing. Then the meager provisions of the couple going through the desert would be used up & depleted while there was still a stretch of the desert yet to be crossed. The thought would occur to them, 'Our meager provisions are used up & depleted while there is still a stretch of this desert yet to be crossed. What if we were to kill this only baby son of ours, dear & appealing, and make dried meat & jerky. That way — chewing on the flesh of our son — at least the two of us would make it through this desert. Otherwise, all three of us would perish.' So they would kill their only baby son, loved & endearing, and make dried meat & jerky. Chewing on the flesh of their son, they would make it through the desert. While eating the flesh of their only son, they would beat their breasts, [crying,] 'Where have you gone, our only baby son? Where have you gone, our only baby son?' Now what do you think, monks: Would that couple eat that food playfully or for intoxication, or for putting on bulk, or for beautification?"

"No, lord."

"Wouldn't they eat that food simply for the sake of making it through that desert?"

"Yes, lord."

"In the same way, I tell you, is the nutriment of physical food to be regarded. When physical food is comprehended, passion for the five strings of sensuality is comprehended. When passion for the five strings of sensuality is comprehended, there is no fetter bound by which a disciple of the noble ones would come back again to this world.

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Re: seer and object (duality)

Post by DooDoot » Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:04 am

confusedlayman wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:31 am
What is good and bad in emptiness?
In Theravada emptiness, good & bad is good & bad.
confusedlayman wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:31 am
Everything is coloring of mind and good or bad are context and situation based.
Where do the Pali suttas say the above? Where did the Buddha say the above? :shrug: The above sounds like your own personal philosophy. With metta :smile:
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