PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

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PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Suranga » Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:21 pm

Do any discussions had here about the difference between Pa-Auk meditation method being thought in Na Uyana (sri lanka) and the Pa-Auk myanmar? many thanks

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Yttrium » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:18 pm

You may read "the nude monk's burning robe". It is a few years old, but may help you to decide where to go.

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:36 pm

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Months ago, I found a description somewhere which said the author who wrote "the nude Monk's Burning Robes" apologized the related Sri Lanka monks regarding that book.


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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Suranga » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:27 am

Yttrium wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:18 pm
You may read "the nude monk's burning robe". It is a few years old, but may help you to decide where to go.
Thanks a lot I already read this book. I do not know if that's true or not. I just wanted to know if there any others discussions about my relevant topic.

Many thanks

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Suranga » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:41 am

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:36 pm
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Months ago, I found a description somewhere which said the author who wrote "the nude Monk's Burning Robes" apologized the related Sri Lanka monks regarding that book.


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Thanks for letting us know. if that's true or not..I don't know..

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Rev.1000Lotus » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:44 am

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:36 pm
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Months ago, I found a description somewhere which said the author who wrote "the nude Monk's Burning Robes" apologized the related Sri Lanka monks regarding that book.


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The authors of NMBR never apologized to any. But there was a prior similar incident (different doc, different author) that happened in the same monastery. And that author was forced to apologize.

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Yttrium » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:45 am

Recently I wrote to NU, asking who the abbot and the teaching monks are, because I am interested to go there. Up to now no reply. Because it would be an utter waste of time, temper and cash to stay there for some, leaving frustrated the place without getting anything done.

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Yttrium » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:56 am

Suranga wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:41 am
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:36 pm
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Months ago, I found a description somewhere which said the author who wrote "the nude Monk's Burning Robes" apologized the related Sri Lanka monks regarding that book.


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Thanks for letting us know. if that's true or not..I don't know..
Do you have something to offer than just hearsay? Even if so, the author might regret it, because it caused a lot of troubel for him. As for Assange or Snowden and many, many others.

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Suranga » Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:52 am

Yttrium wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:56 am
Suranga wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:41 am
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:36 pm
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Months ago, I found a description somewhere which said the author who wrote "the nude Monk's Burning Robes" apologized the related Sri Lanka monks regarding that book.


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Thanks for letting us know. if that's true or not..I don't know..
Do you have something to offer than just hearsay? Even if so, the author might regret it, because it caused a lot of troubel for him. As for Assange or Snowden and many, many others.
Something to offer means ...about that book? I do not have anything to add.because I do not know anything about what that book talking about.Even if I know ..I will not talk about it.sorry

But I have been there for some time. I know one thing. if you want to learn good Theravada budhist meditation then that's a very good place in sri lanka. There might be some issues. well nowhere in the world you might find something pure isni't? Also I can say one thing surely..if you want to follow your own path with out getting in to fights(arguments ) and all then its a good place to follow your own path.you may learn scriptures or even meditation or Abhidhamma. you just can get abbot monks permision and do your own thing.no body will bother you.

Suranga

P.S. if you going to Sri Lanka then that should be a must place in your list.
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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Suranga » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:11 am

Yttrium wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:45 am
Recently I wrote to NU, asking who the abbot and the teaching monks are, because I am interested to go there. Up to now no reply. Because it would be an utter waste of time, temper and cash to stay there for some, leaving frustrated the place without getting anything done.
About Abbot and teaching monks...
Abbot is Ven.Agulgamuwe Ariyaananda .as per my experience ..he is a very good monk.

Teaching monks. - Ven.Ariyananda and ven.Gnanasiri.there might be new teachers there now.you can get instructions from any of them. But Ven.Gnanasiri is leading upper monestary meditation course. which is very secluded area to meditate.and very nice place.


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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta » Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:24 pm

Yttrium wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:56 am
Suranga wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:41 am
Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:36 pm
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Months ago, I found a description somewhere which said the author who wrote "the nude Monk's Burning Robes" apologized the related Sri Lanka monks regarding that book.


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Thanks for letting us know. if that's true or not..I don't know..
Do you have something to offer than just hearsay? Even if so, the author might regret it, because it caused a lot of troubel for him. As for Assange or Snowden and many, many others.




Here are some that I can offer...


  • Months ago, I found a description somewhere which said the author who wrote "the nude Monk's Burning Robes" apologized the related Sri Lanka monks regarding that book.
  • Some revere it as similar to ven. Dhammika's "Broken Buddha". Even if some points were true, the attitude and presentation style of the authors completely ruined the books. I'd rather regard them as "yellow journalism" for theravada. Of course, yellow journalism has its appropriate audience.
  • As for me, the two books are similar in that they may contain a few facts, but mix more with one-sided delusionaly twisted perspectives from a self-perceived-outcasted monk with inferiority complex, like ven. Dhammika who wrote "Broken Buddha" which is full of hilariously distorted views as I have introducingly stated here, which seems no longer worthy of debunking [according to some on DW], so I stopped in that thread, and paused my series at "hors d'oeuvre" stage :lol:.






To know where the book is going, to sense the emotional quotient of the author, and to have a glimpse on the level of right speech used in the book, one only needs to taste those invented "Expected Comments" in introductory page of the book "the nude Monk's Burning Robes".

(invented) Expected Comments
“I must admit, this writing reveals an ugly reality that I always pretend not to see. I never thought these will be revealed before my escape to next life.” — Ven. Vulnerable, escape specialist and co-founder of 'As Long As Samsara Exists' —

“An awesome writing, gave me a sudden spark of momentary insight, followed by an euphoria.” — Ms. Gene Tārā, author of I Am Getting Nowhere —

“A bias, malicious, and wicked writing. All accusations levelled in this writing are absolutely baseless and inaccurate. Utterly subjective and self-opinionated.” — Ven. Terrible and gurus of 'Quick Fix Meditation Center' —

“See! We always say not to be bookish. Should follow one's own citta, and everything will be fine.” — Ajāhn Charismo, abbot of 'Wat A Bliss' —

“Who asked you to read this writing? It should be burned and banned! All those who involved should be imprisoned.” — Ministry of Religious Affairs of Stone Age —

“An embarrassing and unsuccessful attempt to touch the unthinkable wisdom of the commentators.” — Aggamahāpaṇḍita Sayādaw U Scholastic, BA, MA, PhD, DLitt, author of Shortcut to Nibbāna: A Whole New Path —

“A perfect example of Theravada's inability for a deep engagement with the society.” — Master Bo Sato, abbot of 'Ten Thousands Gold Bars' —

“This is the worst writing I have ever seen in my life. This writing doesn't fit into any library. Some severe and permanent measure has to be taken to ban it. If any librarian is still keeping it, even they did so many courses on library science, they don't see, may be blind!” — Ven. Miserable, author of Quick Guide to Rules and Rituals in 7 Days —





As a teaser, I'd like to quote something which author used as one of his solid evidential statements:
One of them developed genuine*** psychic powers and had dhyanas even before joining Pā-Auk. By those powers, he found that his meditation success is due to his meditation in the past lives, but not due to Sayādaw and his method. Later, he disrobed and joined Tibetan Vajrayāna, saying: “Pā-Auk method is too long, Vajrayāna may have a shorter method.”
***What a decidedly confident endorsement by the author! :rofl:




I'll be back here in this thread next weekend, if dhammas allow me to. Bye for now.



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  • "It is an entirely and perfectly foolish idea" ~ MN22
  • The No-self doctrine is found only in the teaching of the Buddha.
  • No-self (anatta) means that there is no permanent, unchanging entity in anything animate or inanimate. ~ SN22.59

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Rev.1000Lotus » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:12 am

Sabbe_Dhamma_Anatta wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:24 pm
To know where the book is going, to sense the emotional quotient of the author, and to have a glimpse on the level of right speech used in the book, one only needs to taste those invented "Expected Comments" in introductory page of the book "the nude Monk's Burning Robes".
Thanks for posting the “Expected Comments”. They are very funny indeed.

When the book first came to circulation, it was outcasted with much hateful reactions from the senior monks. As myself, back then, most of the senior monks were unable to read it because of the language barrier. Having learned the language now, I must give it a read.

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Dilantha » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:27 am

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Dilantha » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:32 am

Hello,

About that book, as per what I heard from the monks and even nuns from Na Uyana ,and with my own experiences I will not completely discard that book as rubbish.Even some of the serious allegations might be true (if what I heard is right) . But nobody talk about them in public.every body talk about it in pvt. I wanted to reply this only because VINAYA is the very thing that will keep the SASANA going.the life of the sasana depends on vinaya. that's the sole reason I wanted to back that book just a bit.

HOWEVER, some one who reads that book will think Na Uyana as complete devil type monastery . That's is not. there might be some issues happened once in while.But these are not enlightened monks know?So its sensible to expect some mistakes. So according to my experience, Na Uyana is very good place if you want to follow pristine vinaya. And unlike what that book paints , Most Ven. Agulgamuwe ariyananda (abbot) is very good monk. And its one of the best places in Sri lanka to learn monk life.

rgds

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Re: PA-Auk meditation in Na uyana

Post by Yttrium » Sat Aug 24, 2019 11:12 am

Meanwhile I read the book of Pa Auk and I would assume both are teaching the same, otherwise using the name Pa Auk would be misleading. By the way, I read about NU in the thread "The Broken Buddha" by Ven.Dhammika and other scandals. That was interesting, to put it mildly! I am thanking the authors, also of this book NMBR and Rev.1000Lotus, having the opportunity to learn a lot. Unfortunately this does not answer the OP's question directly. A debate about NU here is unneeded, because the mentioned thread explains the situation there.

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